Hi all!
= Schedule =
I've put together a preliminary schedule for OsmoDevCon. It can be seen at http://laforge.gnumonks.org/tmp/OsmoDevCon.ics or as a html rendering at http://laforge.gnumonks.org/tmp/OsmoDevCon.html
Pleaes notice that there is still a lot of flexibility, let me know if I forgot anything or if there is something missing.
Please also note that there are some topics which were suggested and where there is an obvious speaker/moderator, but where that person probably doesn't really know anything about having to talk about that topic yet (e.g. Holgers work on cellmgr-ng, Smalltalk projects, ...).
So please don't be too surprised if you find your name somewhere. We will probably want to talk about the topic, whether you will have time to prepare some slides or not ;)
If somebody knows a good way to render a nice overview HTML table from the .ics file, I would appreciate that, as it would give a better overview. I've attached a icedove screenshot for your reference meanwhile.
= Arrival / Departure =
We are starting at 11am on friday, for people who arrive that very morning in Berlin. There are no scheduled talks/discussions after the lunch break on monday, but we still have the room until monday night, so feel free to stay around for more unscheduled discussions and hacking.
= Meals =
== Lunch ==
We will probably have sponsored lunches on one or two days brought by catering into c-base, but apart from that all meals will be on your own expense.
Nevertheless we could try to organize something (like ordering large pizzas) and then share the cost. This would avoid the time delays associated with having to go to a restaurant, make an order, wait for the food, go back to c-base, etc.
== Dinner ==
All I could offer with regard to dinner is to make reservations in not-too-far-away restaurants, where we could go together. Please let me know if I should take care of that or rather not.
Regards, Harald
Harald -
Thank-you for setting this up. My own schedule allows for full days every day and I would be glad to continue on Monday afternoon if others are interested.
If you would like me to speak some on "OpenBTS public vs. commercial" I would be glad to do that. An open discussion is good, as long as it is an informed discussion. I could also give a more detailed presentation on the radiomodem and FEC parts of OpenBTS if there is interest in such low-layer details, maybe on Monday afternoon if there are still people around.
Also, would it be OK to record some of these sessions for private use or allow another developer to "sit in" via video on some of them? (If not, I understand, but there are some specific individuals who could benefit from or even contribute to some specific sessions who are not available to travel in person. For example, I think it would be good for Kurtis to participate in the "OpenBTS public vs. commercial" session.)
-- David
On Feb 20, 2012, at 7:57 AM, Harald Welte wrote:
Hi all!
= Schedule =
I've put together a preliminary schedule for OsmoDevCon. It can be seen at http://laforge.gnumonks.org/tmp/OsmoDevCon.ics or as a html rendering at http://laforge.gnumonks.org/tmp/OsmoDevCon.html
Pleaes notice that there is still a lot of flexibility, let me know if I forgot anything or if there is something missing.
Please also note that there are some topics which were suggested and where there is an obvious speaker/moderator, but where that person probably doesn't really know anything about having to talk about that topic yet (e.g. Holgers work on cellmgr-ng, Smalltalk projects, ...).
So please don't be too surprised if you find your name somewhere. We will probably want to talk about the topic, whether you will have time to prepare some slides or not ;)
If somebody knows a good way to render a nice overview HTML table from the .ics file, I would appreciate that, as it would give a better overview. I've attached a icedove screenshot for your reference meanwhile.
= Arrival / Departure =
We are starting at 11am on friday, for people who arrive that very morning in Berlin. There are no scheduled talks/discussions after the lunch break on monday, but we still have the room until monday night, so feel free to stay around for more unscheduled discussions and hacking.
= Meals =
== Lunch ==
We will probably have sponsored lunches on one or two days brought by catering into c-base, but apart from that all meals will be on your own expense.
Nevertheless we could try to organize something (like ordering large pizzas) and then share the cost. This would avoid the time delays associated with having to go to a restaurant, make an order, wait for the food, go back to c-base, etc.
== Dinner ==
All I could offer with regard to dinner is to make reservations in not-too-far-away restaurants, where we could go together. Please let me know if I should take care of that or rather not.
Regards, Harald --
- Harald Welte laforge@gnumonks.org http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================ "Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option." (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6) <OsmoDevCon.png>
Hi David,
I could also give a more detailed presentation on the radiomodem and FEC parts of OpenBTS if there is interest in such low-layer details, maybe on Monday afternoon if there are still people around.
I'm definitely interested in that, and I'm only leaving on tuesday so monday afternoon is OK for me.
Cheers,
Sylvain
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 21:48, David A. Burgess dburgess@jcis.net wrote:
Harald -
Thank-you for setting this up. My own schedule allows for full days every day and I would be glad to continue on Monday afternoon if others are interested.
If you would like me to speak some on "OpenBTS public vs. commercial" I would be glad to do that. An open discussion is good, as long as it is an informed discussion.
I expected you to participate when I proposed this topic.
I could also give a more detailed presentation on the radiomodem and FEC parts of OpenBTS if there is interest in such low-layer details, maybe on Monday afternoon if there are still people around.
We're interested as well, but we may be living on Mon evening, so we would appreciate if this could be squeezed into the schedule earlier.
Also, would it be OK to record some of these sessions for private use or allow another developer to "sit in" via video on some of them? (If not, I understand, but there are some specific individuals who could benefit from or even contribute to some specific sessions who are not available to travel in person. For example, I think it would be good for Kurtis to participate in the "OpenBTS public vs. commercial" session.)
A good question. I would also love to have recordings, at least for our internal use. And if participant don't object we could probably even make them public?
Let me know if we need a good camera to shoot the event. I may be able to get one.
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Harald Welte laforge@gnumonks.org wrote:
Hi all!
= Schedule =
I've put together a preliminary schedule for OsmoDevCon. It can be seen at http://laforge.gnumonks.org/tmp/OsmoDevCon.ics or as a html rendering at http://laforge.gnumonks.org/tmp/OsmoDevCon.html
Pleaes notice that there is still a lot of flexibility, let me know if I forgot anything or if there is something missing.
I know it's incredibly late given the December 24th deadline, but is it still possible to register?
I am very interested in David's radiomodem and FEC presentation. I can also provide discussion on the public multi-arfcn implementation and c64x transceiver. Both features should be near completion by the conference date.
Thomas
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 23:41, Thomas Tsou ttsou@vt.edu wrote:
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Harald Welte laforge@gnumonks.org wrote:
Hi all!
= Schedule =
I've put together a preliminary schedule for OsmoDevCon. It can be seen at http://laforge.gnumonks.org/tmp/OsmoDevCon.ics or as a html rendering at http://laforge.gnumonks.org/tmp/OsmoDevCon.html
Pleaes notice that there is still a lot of flexibility, let me know if I forgot anything or if there is something missing.
I know it's incredibly late given the December 24th deadline, but is it still possible to register?
I am very interested in David's radiomodem and FEC presentation. I can also provide discussion on the public multi-arfcn implementation and c64x transceiver. Both features should be near completion by the conference date.
That would be an awesome addition if Harald could stretch a room.
What if we offer an official opportunity to participate and even make presentations over Skype? Will i disrupts the live nature of the conference?
I think that presenting over Skype would not be very interesting. I appreciate and respect Thomas and his work and hope to meet him in person one day, but I still think that presenters should be present. By "participate" I was just referring to participation in open discussions, not leading presentations.
Also, I had suggested the topic of the OpenBTS PHY really more as a general overview of efficient signal processing for cellular signals, thinking that such a topic might be of interest to Osmocom developers. Do understand that I am not suggesting another session specific to OpenBTS. I personally am only interested in discussions of OpenBTS to the degree that there are overlapping interests with Osmocom.
On Feb 20, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Alexander Chemeris wrote:
What if we offer an official opportunity to participate and even make presentations over Skype? Will i disrupts the live nature of the conference?
Hi all!
I really wanted OsmoDevCon to be an even from Osmocom (+related) develoeprs for such developers, with the idea of working together intensely and sharing some experiences face-to-face.
I also understand not everyone is able to attend, for scheduling, travel or simply because they didn't realize about the event in time.
I think broadcasting at least some the presentations (not general discussions) via SIP or any other audio streaming method might be ok, but I would make that dependent on the individual speaker. For discussions or other non-presentations, I don't think it's a good idea. Talking privately in a room full of people is one thing, talking while it is publicly streamed and possibly recorded an entirely different thing.
Having remote presenters is also not what I had in mind. We might consider that if one of the scheduled speakers is unable to attend, but not as a planned scenario for events that are not even scheduled.
Furthermore, I'm not a big fan of active participation by remote parties either, I fear it has a huge potential to delay the event.
Now there might be occasional exceptions, i.e. somebody not present at the event but still actively involved in one particular subject that we want to discuss. In that case having a teleconference via SIP or other method may be appropriate for that given topic / person.
If I understood correctly, Sylvain and Peter have suggested to take care of it from the technical/infrastructure side. I appreciate that and we may use it where apropriate (see above).
btw: I strongly discourage the use of skype in the context of Osmocom by all means! We're working very hard to create Free Software implementations of open-specified communications protocols. Let's not make the world more complicated by using (and thus suggesting it was appropriate to use) completely proprietary communications systems.
Regards, Harald
Harald -
I largely agree, and apologize if my request was misunderstood or expanded beyond its original intent.
Also, that is a good point about Skype.
-- David
On Feb 20, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Harald Welte wrote:
Hi all!
I really wanted OsmoDevCon to be an even from Osmocom (+related) develoeprs for such developers, with the idea of working together intensely and sharing some experiences face-to-face.
I also understand not everyone is able to attend, for scheduling, travel or simply because they didn't realize about the event in time.
I think broadcasting at least some the presentations (not general discussions) via SIP or any other audio streaming method might be ok, but I would make that dependent on the individual speaker. For discussions or other non-presentations, I don't think it's a good idea. Talking privately in a room full of people is one thing, talking while it is publicly streamed and possibly recorded an entirely different thing.
Having remote presenters is also not what I had in mind. We might consider that if one of the scheduled speakers is unable to attend, but not as a planned scenario for events that are not even scheduled.
Furthermore, I'm not a big fan of active participation by remote parties either, I fear it has a huge potential to delay the event.
Now there might be occasional exceptions, i.e. somebody not present at the event but still actively involved in one particular subject that we want to discuss. In that case having a teleconference via SIP or other method may be appropriate for that given topic / person.
If I understood correctly, Sylvain and Peter have suggested to take care of it from the technical/infrastructure side. I appreciate that and we may use it where apropriate (see above).
btw: I strongly discourage the use of skype in the context of Osmocom by all means! We're working very hard to create Free Software implementations of open-specified communications protocols. Let's not make the world more complicated by using (and thus suggesting it was appropriate to use) completely proprietary communications systems.
Regards, Harald --
- Harald Welte laforge@gnumonks.org http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================ "Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option." (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 8:05 PM, David A. Burgess dburgess@jcis.net wrote:
Harald -
I largely agree, and apologize if my request was misunderstood or expanded beyond its original intent.
I also largely agree with Harald's statements in that the emphasis should be on face-to-face communications. In such development environments, I generally don't like the idea of remote and interactive participation because it often degrades the experience for the majority of participants.
That said, I think myself and many others would be appreciative of any speakers willing to stream their presentations. But, many people - including myself - do not enjoy speaking in front of a camera, so I understand any reservations.
Thomas
Hi
I definitely agree that remote interactions should be avoided. The whole point of meeting in person is to discuss the topics that we have trouble discussing remotely via IRC/mailing list/phone and where we need real live feedback. Trying to debate over SIP would just defeat the point.
As for live audio/video stream, I would suggest it's a bit of a complication we don't need. We could just do recordings and upload them publically or not afterwards depending on the speaker choice.
Cheers,
Sylvain
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 4:13 AM, Thomas Tsou ttsou@vt.edu wrote:
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 8:05 PM, David A. Burgess dburgess@jcis.net wrote:
Harald -
I largely agree, and apologize if my request was misunderstood or expanded beyond its original intent.
I also largely agree with Harald's statements in that the emphasis should be on face-to-face communications. In such development environments, I generally don't like the idea of remote and interactive participation because it often degrades the experience for the majority of participants.
That said, I think myself and many others would be appreciative of any speakers willing to stream their presentations. But, many people - including myself - do not enjoy speaking in front of a camera, so I understand any reservations.
Thomas
Sylvain,
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 08:10:35AM +0100, Sylvain Munaut wrote:
As for live audio/video stream, I would suggest it's a bit of a complication we don't need. We could just do recordings and upload them publically or not afterwards depending on the speaker choice.
that might be an idea, but in fact it would be better to have the speaker be able to decide not to be recorded in the first place ;)
Rule number one of data protection: Don't even create/store data that you don't require to store... (German: "Datensparsamkeit")
Regards, Harald
that might be an idea, but in fact it would be better to have the speaker be able to decide not to be recorded in the first place ;)
Yes sure, I mean the speaker will be there, he can object directly, I just meant it's more flexible if you don't have to act in real time. If there are some part that shouldn't be published or are not relevant or anything, or that the speaker is ok for private copy but not wider distributions, ....
Cheers,
Sylvain
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 12:37, Sylvain Munaut 246tnt@gmail.com wrote:
that might be an idea, but in fact it would be better to have the speaker be able to decide not to be recorded in the first place ;)
Yes sure, I mean the speaker will be there, he can object directly, I just meant it's more flexible if you don't have to act in real time. If there are some part that shouldn't be published or are not relevant or anything, or that the speaker is ok for private copy but not wider distributions, ....
Yes, my proposal for the video recording was exactly like Sylvain proposed. I didn't mention asking people for permission as I see it as an implied prerequisite.
Hi Harald,
I've seen successful events of all kinds, both using online presence and not. It solely depends on the attitude of the audience and that's why I was asking about it. I apologize that it introduced too much noise. I will respect any choice, I just want to make sure we make as many people happy as possible.
Regarding my Skype note - for me it's similar to using Altium where I would love to use an open-source app. I always prefer open-source as you know, but I'm quite pragmatic in tools selection when it affects my performance of working on open-source projects. I again apologize for mentioning it where it's not appropriate.
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 04:20, Harald Welte laforge@gnumonks.org wrote:
Hi all!
I really wanted OsmoDevCon to be an even from Osmocom (+related) develoeprs for such developers, with the idea of working together intensely and sharing some experiences face-to-face.
I also understand not everyone is able to attend, for scheduling, travel or simply because they didn't realize about the event in time.
I think broadcasting at least some the presentations (not general discussions) via SIP or any other audio streaming method might be ok, but I would make that dependent on the individual speaker. For discussions or other non-presentations, I don't think it's a good idea. Talking privately in a room full of people is one thing, talking while it is publicly streamed and possibly recorded an entirely different thing.
Having remote presenters is also not what I had in mind. We might consider that if one of the scheduled speakers is unable to attend, but not as a planned scenario for events that are not even scheduled.
Furthermore, I'm not a big fan of active participation by remote parties either, I fear it has a huge potential to delay the event.
Now there might be occasional exceptions, i.e. somebody not present at the event but still actively involved in one particular subject that we want to discuss. In that case having a teleconference via SIP or other method may be appropriate for that given topic / person.
If I understood correctly, Sylvain and Peter have suggested to take care of it from the technical/infrastructure side. I appreciate that and we may use it where apropriate (see above).
btw: I strongly discourage the use of skype in the context of Osmocom by all means! We're working very hard to create Free Software implementations of open-specified communications protocols. Let's not make the world more complicated by using (and thus suggesting it was appropriate to use) completely proprietary communications systems.
Regards, Harald --
- Harald Welte laforge@gnumonks.org http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================ "Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option." (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)
Hi Alexander,
there's no need for anyone to apologize for anything, at least not from my point of view. Some people have made various suggestions, others have sent their views, no rough languange was used - in other words an entirely civilized discussion.
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 12:42:19PM +0400, Alexander Chemeris wrote:
Regarding my Skype note - for me it's similar to using Altium where I would love to use an open-source app.
I don't want you to stop using it or stop mentioning to use it. I just wanted to state that in the context of an Osmcoom event, I would definitely not want to use it.
As a more practical note: I'm quite sure that the various SIP and H.323 compatible soft-phones as well as hardware/emedded devices are a really good and functional alternative to Skype. I think they are much closer on a functional level to their proprietary alternative than let's say KiCAD or gEDA are to Altium Designer.
Rergards, Harald
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 12:53, Harald Welte laforge@gnumonks.org wrote:
Hi Alexander,
there's no need for anyone to apologize for anything, at least not from my point of view. Some people have made various suggestions, others have sent their views, no rough languange was used - in other words an entirely civilized discussion.
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 12:42:19PM +0400, Alexander Chemeris wrote:
Regarding my Skype note - for me it's similar to using Altium where I would love to use an open-source app.
I don't want you to stop using it or stop mentioning to use it. I just wanted to state that in the context of an Osmcoom event, I would definitely not want to use it.
As a more practical note: I'm quite sure that the various SIP and H.323 compatible soft-phones as well as hardware/emedded devices are a really good and functional alternative to Skype. I think they are much closer on a functional level to their proprietary alternative than let's say KiCAD or gEDA are to Altium Designer.
When I looked at them some 5 years ago as a VoIP developer, all open-source VoIP tools were in very bad state. Even our one was barely usable in non-ideal situations. May be things got better since that time. I have to review available options again when I get some free time.
-- Regards, Alexander Chemeris.
On 02/21/2012 05:50 AM, Harald Welte wrote:
Hi all!
I really wanted OsmoDevCon to be an even from Osmocom (+related) develoeprs for such developers, with the idea of working together intensely and sharing some experiences face-to-face.
Post event, availability of a detailed minutes of the event on the website can help all who could not attend in person. In case it is possible would suggest a video recording (even a mobile phone) of key sessions and/or discussions would be a good idea for others now and in general for future. :)
with Regards, Ashwin
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