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Hi all,
this idea has been around for quite some time, and for 2012 I really want to turn it into reality:
I'd like to have a Osmocom developer workshop
The idea here is to get all the active contributors of the project together for a couple of days (maybe 2-4 days), in order to exchange ideas, get to know each other better and last but not least work together on ironing out some of the more difficult issues.
* City:
Regarding the location: I think for me it is only possible to organize it if it is to be held in Berlin. I'mn happy if somebody else wants to host it at some other location, but then that person would also have to take care of local organization. Berlin also has good train and flight connections, which is definitely a plus.
* Venue:
If it is in Berlin, we might consider talking with c-base or Raumfahrtagentur as possible venues.
* Date:
Regarding a proposed date, I'm completely open for suggestions. Of course there shouldn't be any overlap with other major FOSS or Sescurity related conferences, and it should also not coincide with major public holidays, as that only makes travel + accomodation more expensive.
* Funding:
As we don't have that many commercial users of Osmocom projects, getting funding for e.g. travel / accomodation is probably going to be difficult. We can ask the "usual suspects" among those commercial users we know,, but I guess it will only be possible in exceptional cases to provide that kind of funding.
Any ideas / comments / feedback is much appreciated. If somebody has a particular suggestion.
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Cheers, Harald
Hi,
The idea here is to get all the active contributors of the project together for a couple of days (maybe 2-4 days), in order to exchange ideas, get to know each other better and last but not least work together on ironing out some of the more difficult issues.
This would definitely be awesome :)
- City:
I think Berlin is a good place. If I'm not mistaken, there is already a fair number of active developers locally in Berlin. And others from Germany in general and I'd guess travel to/from the capital should be easy. I know that travel for me to/from Berlin is also relatively cheap as long as it's not booked too late.
- Venue:
If it is in Berlin, we might consider talking with c-base or Raumfahrtagentur as possible venues.
Do you by anychance know if any of these location have walking distance cheap hotels ? (sorry don't know Berlin at all except for Alexanderplatz ...)
- Date:
I know dealing with everyone requirements is a bit tricky, I can personally free myself pretty much any time given sufficient notice (except for conferences I'm already planning to attend see below)
Maybe listing the dates to avoid would give a clearer picture. I don't attend a lot of conferences so I don't know all their dates. The one I'm planning to attend so far are Fosdem, Google IO2012, Deepsec 2012, 29c3. What others to consider ?
- Funding:
As we don't have that many commercial users of Osmocom projects, getting funding for e.g. travel / accomodation is probably going to be difficult. We can ask the "usual suspects" among those commercial users we know,, but I guess it will only be possible in exceptional cases to provide that kind of funding.
Doesn't sound like an issue for me. I can take care of my travel/accommodation costs and participate in any shared cost (venue/misc/...). And if someone can't support the cost, deal with that on a case by case basis ?
Maybe starting a Wiki page with the data (people planning to attend / dates to avoid ) ... The openbsc wiki I guess ?
Cheers,
Sylvain
Hi Sylvain,
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 10:43:27AM +0100, Sylvain Munaut wrote:
- Venue:
If it is in Berlin, we might consider talking with c-base or Raumfahrtagentur as possible venues.
Do you by anychance know if any of these location have walking distance cheap hotels ? (sorry don't know Berlin at all except for Alexanderplatz ...)
To be honest, I don't know without doing some kind of research. But I guess the point is to find a suitable, inexpensive location first, and as long as it is not at the outskirts of Berlin, there is pretty good public transportation to get around..
- Date:
I know dealing with everyone requirements is a bit tricky, I can personally free myself pretty much any time given sufficient notice (except for conferences I'm already planning to attend see below)
Maybe listing the dates to avoid would give a clearer picture. I don't attend a lot of conferences so I don't know all their dates. The one I'm planning to attend so far are Fosdem, Google IO2012, Deepsec 2012, 29c3. What others to consider ?
I have started a wiki page where I wuld like everyone to put in the dates at which they absolutely could not attend such a workshop: http://openbsc.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/OsmoDevCon2012
If somebody has no wiki account: please apply for one or just e-mail me and I will add your details to that page.
I would appreciate if people could enter their inavailability dates during the next two weeks, so we could actually try to finalize on a date for the event pretty soon. Thanks!
- Funding:
I can take care of my travel/accommodation costs and participate in any shared cost (venue/misc/...).
My hope is that we can get the venue plus maybe some food sponsored/funded, so people really would only have to take care of their travel + accomodation.
Maybe starting a Wiki page with the data (people planning to attend / dates to avoid ) ... The openbsc wiki I guess ?
indeed, see above.
Regards, Harald
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 09:15:20AM +0100, Harald Welte wrote:
- City:
Regarding the location: I think for me it is only possible to organize it if it is to be held in Berlin. I'mn happy if somebody else wants to host it at some other location, but then that person would also have to take care of local organization. Berlin also has good train and flight connections, which is definitely a plus.
I'm happy with Berlin :-). I can propose Sevilla as alternative, it can be for the next workshop of course.
But if you want to make it here, it has to be after february 2012.
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 09:15:20AM +0100, Harald Welte wrote:
- City:
Regarding the location: I think for me it is only possible to organize it if it is to be held in Berlin. I'mn happy if somebody else wants to host it at some other location, but then that person would also have to take care of local organization. Berlin also has good train and flight connections, which is definitely a plus.
I don't consider myself an "active contributor", since I never provided additional features to the various osmo* projects, nevertheless I would like to join the event if that's okay and I find the time.
Berlin is fine for me, ... but ...
In case anybody wants to get to know a new place, I can offer Salzburg as location, precisely the subnet [1]. One possible + of Salzburg is that it's very close to the border of Germany and therefore the GSM/GSM-R/TETRA nets of 2 countries can be reached in the vicinity.
Kind regards, -Alex
On 25/11/11 09:15 +0100, Harald Welte wrote:
If it is in Berlin, we might consider talking with c-base or Raumfahrtagentur as possible venues.
c-base would be happy to host a OsmocomBB Hackathon. If you have no prefered contact at c-base, you can very likely get in touch with me. Osmocom has a lot of friends in near space orbit.
baccenfutter o7
Hi Brian,
On Sun, Dec 04, 2011 at 06:32:25PM +0100, Brian Wiborg wrote:
c-base would be happy to host a OsmocomBB Hackathon. If you have no prefered contact at c-base, you can very likely get in touch with me. Osmocom has a lot of friends in near space orbit.
thanks, I've already been in contact with the c-base "CultOrga". Right now we first need to settle on a date and then discuss our target date with C-base.
Regards, Harald
Hi all,
just a quick status update: I've spoken with the c-base event crew and it is looking good. Time-wise our intended schedule is not a problem on the two proposed dates in late March.
I've also seen their meeting room, and it is more or less about the same size as the room that we've had at 27C3 last year. They have plenty of tables, chairs, free wifi and a very decent projector + screen.
Anything else (power outlets, nanoBTS, phones, cables, measurement equipment, etc) we'll bring ourselves.
The only remaining issue is that somebody of their 'core team' has to be present all-day on Friday and Monday - which is not normally the case on regular working days.
I'll be there again tonight to their internal meeting and see if we can find some volunteer or convince them to entrust me with keys ;)
I'll report back once the date is finalized. Please wait until then before booking your travel and/or accomodation.
Regards, Harald
Hi all,
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 04:50:54PM +0100, Harald Welte wrote:
I'll be there again tonight to their internal meeting and see if we can find some volunteer or convince them to entrust me with keys ;)
the c-base "circle" has decided to endorse our workshop, with 5:0 votes for it.
I'll report back once the date is finalized. Please wait until then before booking your travel and/or accomodation.
The date has been settled: March 23rd through 26th. The room will be available to us between 10am and 1am daily.
I've added some very basic information regarding the venue and travel to http://openbsc.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/OsmoDevCon2012
I'll also added a section to the page where people intending to attend should register themselves before December 24, 2011. This way we can review the applications and approve attendance for those registered.
I personally would be curious to hear about the following candidates: * Peter Stuge * Dieter Spaar * Christian Vogel * Steve-M * Marcin
Of course there are Berlin locals like Kevin, roh, Tobias Engel, dexter, nico, etc. who could join us at least partially for some hours in order to discuss their respective "special interest" topics like SIMtrace v2, OpenBSC API for external processes.
Also, getting Christian Daniel (of the upcoming OsmoSDR) here at least over the weekend would be great.
If the list gets too long and the group gets too big, it might be possible to at least temporarily occupy some other room at c-base, too - or to split into working groups where one of them might e.g. do a TETRA session at CCC Berlin, where the TETRA EBTS is located.
Regards, Harald
Hi all,
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:52:03PM +0100, Harald Welte wrote:
I've added some very basic information regarding the venue and travel to http://openbsc.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/OsmoDevCon2012
I'll also added a section to the page where people intending to attend should register themselves before December 24, 2011. This way we can review the applications and approve attendance for those registered.
December 24 already arrived, and the list on the page is:
laforge zecke jolly tnt dieter? pablo ahuemer dburgess00 horizon khorben? vogelchr
This means there are 11 names, which is definitely ok given the amount of space we have and the size of the event I had in mind.
I actually added Dieter with ? as I wasn't sure but was hoping he would attend (and I think he mentioned that on the phone at some point). What about khorben? You must have put that question mark there delieberately..
As the benevolent Osmocom dictator, I am hereby accepting all those 11 registrations ;) This means that those 11 people can start to make travel arrangements.
I would still love to see Piotr participate, as I hope to get moving forward regarding MTK in 2012. But anyway, it's of course up to us to finally start to use his code...
Regards, Harald
Harald Welte wrote:
I'll also added a section to the page where people intending to attend should register themselves before December 24, 2011.
Oops.
December 24 already arrived, and the list on the page is:
laforge zecke jolly tnt dieter? pablo ahuemer dburgess00 horizon khorben? vogelchr
I'd like to be there too.
Dieter with ? khorben? Piotr
I hope they can all be there.
//Peter
Hi Harald,
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 01:52, Harald Welte laforge@gnumonks.org wrote:
I'll also added a section to the page where people intending to attend should register themselves before December 24, 2011. This way we can review the applications and approve attendance for those registered.
I should read this mailing list more often then once in two months. :( Is it still possible to sign for the participation? Probably Ivan with his GPRS work will be interested as well.
Hi all!
Regarding accomodation: I've found out that there are numerous inexpensive apartments in Berlin that can be rented for very little money. The sites are mostly German (like http://www.ferienwohnungen-berlin.de/ or www.kostenlose-zimmervermittlung-berlin.de/) but they offer single-bedroom-apartments from as low as 21 EUR (typically though in the 40 to 50 EUR range) per night. They all have their own bathroom, kitchen.
There are also 3/4 bedroom apartments with multiple bedrooms that can be used by e.g. up to 8 people.
If some of the attendees prefer to stay at such a place (as opposed to the hostel or a real hotel), please first coordinate who would all want to stay at the same place and then let me know the total number of beds required. I can look and search for a place that is available and not too distant from the venue (if possible).
Regards, Harald
Hi all,
following up my original mail:
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 09:15:20AM +0100, Harald Welte wrote:
I'd like to have a Osmocom developer workshop
I'd like to follow-up with one more posting to all our mailing lists:
The remaining discussion is happening at the openbsc@lists.osmocom.org list, and it is not cross-posted to all other lists.
We've meanwhile settled on a date (March 23rd through 26th) and a venue in Berlin.
Regards, Harald
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