HI Harald, I appreciate your care about the community and I won't post anything related to our commercial activities to this mailing list from now on. But I should say, that I disagree with you in your assessment of my e-mail as spam. I always care about community and gauge all my posts from a user perspective, and I wouldn't classify this as a spam. My reasoning is as following: 1. If I'm a user of Osmocom, I'd be interested in meeting a vendor in person, given a good occasion. 2. If I'm a user of Osmocom, I'd be interested in announcements of new products, compatible with Osmocom (this is a general comment, unrelated to this exact e-mail). May be we should create a separate (low-traffic) mailing list for commercial announcements, related to Osmocom? That might be a useful way to promote a healthy ecosystem around it. On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Harald Welte <laforge(a)gnumonks.org> wrote: -- Regards, Alexander Chemeris. CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ООО УмРадио http://fairwaves.ru

Hi, be intersted in *respond* :-) I am glad about every bit of information regarding SDR/BTS stuff, may it be commercial or not. So for sure I will subscribe to this list, as long as it stays osmocom-related. spam/advertisements/marketing, because My behavior is similar, just my tolerance level to sort something into the SPAM/UCE class may be a bit higher. Ralph.

Holger Hans Peter Freyther wrote: I agree with you and Harald here. I don't agree with this however - I think the osmocom project, like all other open source projects, is a wonderful marketing channel. But the marketing is very different - the marketing is simply a byproduct of high quality development effort. Whoever does good work becomes better known, which in turn makes it more likely for them to be contacted about commercial activity. But, like Harald and Holger I too think that it's important to draw a clear line between simple advertisement "we can do things" and actual contributions "here's a patch which we've done". Alexander, the way to generate support isn't to tell people what one can do, but to let them discover it on their own. But there is also a bootstrapping problem, and I think it *is* in the interest of the open source project to help those who seek commercial products and services which contribute to the project to find the right suppliers. On the other hand nobody has a vested interest in keeping such a registry up to date, in particular getting rid of old information is difficult. The best solution may be based on the code: Someone who wants to sell products can work on visualizing how well their product works, in a way that is also generally relevant for the open source project. An automated test system is a good example, with clear red/green indication of how well a given product works over time. Of course, building test jigs for actual hardware is quite a bit more difficult (read: expensive) than for software, so it remains tempting to send simple advertisements. But please realise that advertisements do more harm than good in the long run, in the context of open source projects. I'd like to point out that I think it was a good idea for Alexander to send an email saying that he was at the conference and inviting to meet up with anyone who wanted to chat - only the blatant advertising in the email was stepping over the line IMO. //Peter

Hi Harald, On 14 November 2013 12:36, Harald Welte <laforge(a)gnumonks.org> wrote: How about 'product-announce' or 'commercial-announce' (to include services)? Best, Andrew -- Andrew Back http://carrierdetect.com

Hi Alexander, On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 11:23:52PM +0400, Alexander Chemeris wrote: fine. List has been created. -- - Harald Welte <laforge(a)gnumonks.org> http://laforge.gnumonks.org/ ============================================================================ "Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option." (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)

Hi, +1 I can say for sure I wouldn't be interested and wouldn't subscribe. If a company uses Osmocom stuff in its products, either I already know it from its contribution to the codebase, or I'm not interested in what it has to sell anyway. Cheers, Sylvain