Hi all, I'm interested in upgrading my 2G setup to also support 3G. My current setup is: USRP N210, osmo-trx, osmo-bts-trx, osmo-nitb, osmo-pcu, osmo-sgsn, osmo-ggsn. On the software side I understand I'd have to migrate from osmo-nitb to the new split components and add the 3G components. Regarding the hardware it seems most people are using the ip.access nano3G femtocell. Is this the same one that's included in the sysmocom 3.5G starter kit? Are there any alternatives I'm not aware of other than using non-Osmocom projects? Thanks, Jan
On Thu, Mar 08, 2018 at 10:04:24AM +0000, Bruckner Jan (ETAS-SEC/ECT-Mu) wrote:
Hi all,
I'm interested in upgrading my 2G setup to also support 3G.
My current setup is: USRP N210, osmo-trx, osmo-bts-trx, osmo-nitb, osmo-pcu, osmo-sgsn, osmo-ggsn.
On the software side I understand I'd have to migrate from osmo-nitb to the new split components and add the 3G components.
correct.
Regarding the hardware it seems most people are using the ip.access nano3G femtocell. Is this the same one that's included in the sysmocom 3.5G starter kit?
The nano3G is the cheaper one of the two options we have currently ready for use, the other one being the sysmocell 5000 series. This nano3G is included in the starter kit, correct.
Are there any alternatives I'm not aware of other than using non-Osmocom projects?
Could you rephrase that? :) ~N
Hi Neels,
Are there any alternatives I'm not aware of other than using non-Osmocom projects?
Could you rephrase that? :)
Sure :) I looked into other 2G/3G projects, mainly OpenBTS and YateBTS and saw that OpenBTS-UMTS should support 3G with my SDR. But I'd very much prefer sticking to Osmocom, because OpenBTS seems not very active, at least towards the public. So I was wondering if someone might be working on another Osmocom project that I have not come across yet, that might provide an alternative to buying a nano3G. Actually, I just found [1], which also uses the nano3G. So nano3G seems like the way to go right now. Jan [1] https://osmocom.org/projects/cellular-infrastructure/wiki/Accelerate3g5_--_b enoit
On Fri, Mar 09, 2018 at 08:34:57AM +0000, Bruckner Jan (ETAS-SEC/ECT-Mu) wrote:
Hi Neels,
Are there any alternatives I'm not aware of other than using non-Osmocom projects?
Could you rephrase that? :)
Sure :) I looked into other 2G/3G projects, mainly OpenBTS and YateBTS and saw that OpenBTS-UMTS should support 3G with my SDR. But I'd very much prefer sticking to Osmocom, because OpenBTS seems not very active, at least towards the public. So I was wondering if someone might be working on another Osmocom project that I have not come across yet, that might provide an alternative to buying a nano3G. Actually, I just found [1], which also uses the nano3G. So nano3G seems like the way to go right now.
Hi Jan, It is not trivial to find femto cells that provide a usable Iuh that is not locked down to specific vendors / networks. It is also not trivial to write a separate RNC that would allow operating Iu proper instead of requiring Iuh, which would open up more possibilities for 3G base station hardware. None of GSM is trivial, but we have no RNC yet :) At Osmocom/sysmocom, we have the sysmoCell 5k series, and have also managed to get the far cheaper nano3G plugged to our osmo-hnbgw; plus at sysmocom we have a certain number of them available. So wherever you look in the Osmocom ecosystem, you will see the nano3G popping up its head. The Accelerate3g5 was specifically launched by sysmocom to get more people involved in Osmocom 3G and, naturally, we gave away nano3G units to about a dozen projects. http://osmocom.org/projects/cellular-infrastructure/wiki/Accelerate3g5 There is an ongoing process of finding more suitable femto cells, and it looks promising, though it's not worth an announcement as of yet. Anyone out there may join the effort and investigate femto cell models available on the market and find ways to unlock them so they become generally usable with Osmocom 3G. If you want to get started, the nano3G indeed is your best bet with Osmocom at the moment. Be aware that not all nano3G you can buy out there are ready to be configured and talk Iuh to any host, so sysmocom is probably the safest source. ~N
Hi Neels, Can we buy the nano3G only from sysmocom and get it working with limesdr for transceiver? I still wondering how it works together wirh sdr, is that possible? Regards, Sandi On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 19:17 Neels Hofmeyr <nhofmeyr@sysmocom.de> wrote:
On Fri, Mar 09, 2018 at 08:34:57AM +0000, Bruckner Jan (ETAS-SEC/ECT-Mu) wrote:
Hi Neels,
Are there any alternatives I'm not aware of other than using non-Osmocom projects?
Could you rephrase that? :)
Sure :) I looked into other 2G/3G projects, mainly OpenBTS and YateBTS and saw that OpenBTS-UMTS should support 3G with my SDR. But I'd very much prefer sticking to Osmocom, because OpenBTS seems not very active, at least towards the public. So I was wondering if someone might be working on another Osmocom project that I have not come across yet, that might provide an alternative to buying a nano3G. Actually, I just found [1], which also uses the nano3G. So nano3G seems like the way to go right now.
Hi Jan,
It is not trivial to find femto cells that provide a usable Iuh that is not locked down to specific vendors / networks.
It is also not trivial to write a separate RNC that would allow operating Iu proper instead of requiring Iuh, which would open up more possibilities for 3G base station hardware. None of GSM is trivial, but we have no RNC yet :)
At Osmocom/sysmocom, we have the sysmoCell 5k series, and have also managed to get the far cheaper nano3G plugged to our osmo-hnbgw; plus at sysmocom we have a certain number of them available. So wherever you look in the Osmocom ecosystem, you will see the nano3G popping up its head. The Accelerate3g5 was specifically launched by sysmocom to get more people involved in Osmocom 3G and, naturally, we gave away nano3G units to about a dozen projects. http://osmocom.org/projects/cellular-infrastructure/wiki/Accelerate3g5
There is an ongoing process of finding more suitable femto cells, and it looks promising, though it's not worth an announcement as of yet.
Anyone out there may join the effort and investigate femto cell models available on the market and find ways to unlock them so they become generally usable with Osmocom 3G.
If you want to get started, the nano3G indeed is your best bet with Osmocom at the moment. Be aware that not all nano3G you can buy out there are ready to be configured and talk Iuh to any host, so sysmocom is probably the safest source.
~N
How about this one? http://www.parallelwireless.com/products/converged-wireless-system/ It does support 2G, 3G and 4G. Thanks, Rafael Diniz On 03/09/18 09:23, Sandi Suhendro wrote:
Hi Neels, Can we buy the nano3G only from sysmocom and get it working with limesdr for transceiver?
I still wondering how it works together wirh sdr, is that possible?
Regards, Sandi
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 19:17 Neels Hofmeyr <nhofmeyr@sysmocom.de <mailto:nhofmeyr@sysmocom.de>> wrote:
On Fri, Mar 09, 2018 at 08:34:57AM +0000, Bruckner Jan (ETAS-SEC/ECT-Mu) wrote: > Hi Neels, > > >> Are there any alternatives I'm not aware of other than using > >> non-Osmocom projects? > > >Could you rephrase that? :) > > Sure :) > I looked into other 2G/3G projects, mainly OpenBTS and YateBTS and saw that > OpenBTS-UMTS should support 3G with my SDR. But I'd very much prefer > sticking to Osmocom, because OpenBTS seems not very active, at least towards > the public. So I was wondering if someone might be working on another > Osmocom project that I have not come across yet, that might provide an > alternative to buying a nano3G. > Actually, I just found [1], which also uses the nano3G. So nano3G seems like > the way to go right now.
Hi Jan,
It is not trivial to find femto cells that provide a usable Iuh that is not locked down to specific vendors / networks.
It is also not trivial to write a separate RNC that would allow operating Iu proper instead of requiring Iuh, which would open up more possibilities for 3G base station hardware. None of GSM is trivial, but we have no RNC yet :)
At Osmocom/sysmocom, we have the sysmoCell 5k series, and have also managed to get the far cheaper nano3G plugged to our osmo-hnbgw; plus at sysmocom we have a certain number of them available. So wherever you look in the Osmocom ecosystem, you will see the nano3G popping up its head. The Accelerate3g5 was specifically launched by sysmocom to get more people involved in Osmocom 3G and, naturally, we gave away nano3G units to about a dozen projects. http://osmocom.org/projects/cellular-infrastructure/wiki/Accelerate3g5
There is an ongoing process of finding more suitable femto cells, and it looks promising, though it's not worth an announcement as of yet.
Anyone out there may join the effort and investigate femto cell models available on the market and find ways to unlock them so they become generally usable with Osmocom 3G.
If you want to get started, the nano3G indeed is your best bet with Osmocom at the moment. Be aware that not all nano3G you can buy out there are ready to be configured and talk Iuh to any host, so sysmocom is probably the safest source.
~N
On Fri, Mar 09, 2018 at 04:55:26PM -0300, Rafael Diniz wrote:
How about this one? http://www.parallelwireless.com/products/converged-wireless-system/
It does support 2G, 3G and 4G.
Do you see anywhere that it supports Abis, Iuh, IuCS or IuPS?
From the limited non-technical informatio published, it seems rather that they want to sell you the cell plus some "HetNet Gateway" which seems to imply they might be using an architecture quite far from how a normal 3GPP RAN is specified.
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Thanks Harald. We'll raise the information if their equipment is compatible with standards 3GPP protocols. Rafael Diniz On 03/10/2018 03:45 AM, Harald Welte wrote:
On Fri, Mar 09, 2018 at 04:55:26PM -0300, Rafael Diniz wrote:
How about this one? http://www.parallelwireless.com/products/converged-wireless-system/
It does support 2G, 3G and 4G.
Do you see anywhere that it supports Abis, Iuh, IuCS or IuPS?
From the limited non-technical informatio published, it seems rather that they want to sell you the cell plus some "HetNet Gateway" which seems to imply they might be using an architecture quite far from how a normal 3GPP RAN is specified.
On Fri, Mar 09, 2018 at 12:23:30PM +0000, Sandi Suhendro wrote:
Hi Neels, Can we buy the nano3G only from sysmocom and get it working with limesdr for transceiver?
I still wondering how it works together wirh sdr, is that possible?
The nano3G is a piece of hardware and is not related to an SDR in any way. Your question doesn't make a lot of sense, sorry, but I don't know what to answer there besides repeating things written in the original mail. ~N
Dear Neels, What i mean is 3G hardware is using nano3G only? Or need to combine with sysmoBTS (maybe can replace with SDR) If you only need nano3G to build the network, so my question is nano3G also as a transceiver? Thanks, Sandi On Mon, Mar 12, 2018, 21:46 Neels Hofmeyr <nhofmeyr@sysmocom.de> wrote:
On Fri, Mar 09, 2018 at 12:23:30PM +0000, Sandi Suhendro wrote:
Hi Neels, Can we buy the nano3G only from sysmocom and get it working with limesdr for transceiver?
I still wondering how it works together wirh sdr, is that possible?
The nano3G is a piece of hardware and is not related to an SDR in any way. Your question doesn't make a lot of sense, sorry, but I don't know what to answer there besides repeating things written in the original mail.
~N
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 02:52:55PM +0000, Sandi Suhendro wrote:
Dear Neels, What i mean is 3G hardware is using nano3G only? Or need to combine with sysmoBTS (maybe can replace with SDR)
If you only need nano3G to build the network, so my question is nano3G also as a transceiver?
Wow, that's a wild mix m( I'd appreciate if you could read up on the basic concepts before using our time. Consider: these answers are for free to you, but they cost us time and actually real money. We'll do it any time for *useful* requests. Thanks! I mean, you've been camping the community for long enough to know where all the information can be found. The sysmoBTS is a complete 2G base station, piece of hardware. It has an ethernet plug to feed Abis/GPRS-NS and you get a 2G cell on the air "at the other end". The nano3G is a complete 3G base station, piece of hardware, aka hNodeB aka femto cell. It has an ethernet plug to feed Iuh and you get a 3G cell on the air "at the other end". These two are completely separate and utterly unrelated, and they cannot be plugged into each other in a useful way, besides operating them with a core network that is able to serve both technologies at the same time. Compare: https://osmocom.org/projects/cellular-infrastructure/wiki/Osmocom_Network_In... ~N
Dear Neels, Thanks for explanation, i just confuse before there are 2 hardware for sysmo-NitB 3,5G which as info here https://www.sysmocom.de/products/3g5starterkit/index.html After read it again, i just realize the sysmo-NITB 3,5 hardware is just a host/computer for handling the nano3G. Sorry for your time and thanks Neels. :) Best, Sandi On Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 10:14 Neels Hofmeyr <nhofmeyr@sysmocom.de> wrote:
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 02:52:55PM +0000, Sandi Suhendro wrote:
Dear Neels, What i mean is 3G hardware is using nano3G only? Or need to combine with sysmoBTS (maybe can replace with SDR)
If you only need nano3G to build the network, so my question is nano3G also as a transceiver?
Wow, that's a wild mix m(
I'd appreciate if you could read up on the basic concepts before using our time. Consider: these answers are for free to you, but they cost us time and actually real money. We'll do it any time for *useful* requests. Thanks! I mean, you've been camping the community for long enough to know where all the information can be found.
The sysmoBTS is a complete 2G base station, piece of hardware. It has an ethernet plug to feed Abis/GPRS-NS and you get a 2G cell on the air "at the other end".
The nano3G is a complete 3G base station, piece of hardware, aka hNodeB aka femto cell. It has an ethernet plug to feed Iuh and you get a 3G cell on the air "at the other end".
These two are completely separate and utterly unrelated, and they cannot be plugged into each other in a useful way, besides operating them with a core network that is able to serve both technologies at the same time.
Compare:
https://osmocom.org/projects/cellular-infrastructure/wiki/Osmocom_Network_In...
~N
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Bruckner Jan (ETAS-SEC/ECT-Mu) -
Harald Welte -
Neels Hofmeyr -
Rafael Diniz -
Sandi Suhendro