Hello Andreas,
On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 12:27:05 +0200, "Andreas.Eversberg" <Andreas.Eversberg(a)versatel.de> wrote:
>
> so, if this works, i will try to use an hfc-pci single port card (cheap)
> and provide a document on how to link the E1 card to the single port
> card. only two clocks are required, a frame clock and a bit clock. with
> the right settings, both clocks are compatible.
Great idea ! I am definitely interested in the results.
Best regards,
Dieter
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Dieter Spaar, Germany spaar(a)mirider.augusta.de
i forgot in send it to the list
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Andreas.Eversberg
Gesendet: Freitag, 3. April 2009 12:27
An: 'Dieter Spaar'
Betreff: AW: BS-11 runs, but no Network on my Mobile
this is an issue i understand.
here is my idea on testing it: i derrive clock from my t-com isdn line. the line clock is provided by a gps receiver and transferred via telekom's access hardware to my isdn line. because i talk to it PTP, it keeps up layer1. (the line provides coninuous clock signal.) i will connect a 4 port isdn card to it, to get the clock. this card is interlinked to the E1 card, so the clock is provided to that card. by default, the hfc-e1 card will use crystal clock if card is in NT-mode and clock master. in slave configuration, the clock is provided from pcm interface.
i will use an oscilloscope to verify the signal with the received clock on the 4 port isdn card and on the e1 card.
line ---> card 1 ----> e1-card
|
+-> card 2
on my line are two card: both are 4-port isdn cards. the second card provides one clock signal to the oscilloscope, the e1 card provide the second clock signal. so i can proove if the card 1 actually synchronize to the line clock.
so, if this works, i will try to use an hfc-pci single port card (cheap) and provide a document on how to link the E1 card to the single port card. only two clocks are required, a frame clock and a bit clock. with the right settings, both clocks are compatible.
Hello Marcel,
On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:33:01 +0200, "Marcel Klein" <marcel(a)koeln.ccc.de> wrote:
>
> Okay, second try didn't work anymore... so the problem still exists. I
> even tried 250mW.
I received an important hint that the problem is most certainly related
to a clock issue.
Some background: The BS-11 synchronizes its internal clock to the
clock of the E1 line. Its does not have a high stability clock which
is needed for GSM. The official networks use a very stable and exact
clock, the requirement for a BTS according to GSM 05.10 is +/-0.05 ppm.
(There was a variant of the BS-11 sold which had a versatile interface
card which can also work with standard ISDN, this variant had an
oven controlled oscillator which can run standalone with the required
stability. But we don't have any of this BS-11 variant).
The phone itself synchronizes its clock from the network it receives.
If the phone searches for networks, the carrier search range is limited
to a certain window, it will only find a network if the carrier falls
inside this window.
Now the problem: If the phone is synchronized to an official network
and searches for other networks, it will only find them if they are
within the search range. No problem for an official network, they use
exact timing. However if the BS-11 network is not within the range,
its network is not found.
When the phone is powered on and not yet synchronized, the search range
window is larger, however the phone starts looking at the ARFCNs first
which it received the last time when it was registered to a network.
So it normally would find an official network first and miss the BS-11
if its is clock is off too far.
To confirm this, I run a test with an HP 8922 GSM tester. It can
simulate a network and also has a tuneable reference. If I start
with a phone registered to an official network, I can only see the
HP 8922 network if the refenrence is with about +/- 1 ppm. The same
is true the other way round, if I start beeing registered to the
HP 8922 network, I can only see the official networks if the reference
is within the above range. I used an older Nokia phone for my tests,
the range may depend on the phone.
If the BS-11 is locked to the E1 clock, its reference is controlled
by the oscillator of the E1 card. ISDN timing requirements are not
very strict, +/- 50 ppm is good enough. I don't have the datasheet
for the oscillator on the HFC-E1 card, probably the clock can
be in the range of +/- 20 ppm.
Two ideas to solve this: Start at a place were no other network
than the BS-11 network can be received (OK, could be difficult ;-).
Or write the information of the BS-11 network to the SIM card
so that the phone starts receiving the BS-11 ARFCN when powerted
on. Basically this information is the cell allocation information
in SYSTEM INFORMATION 2 and have to be written to EF_BCCH on the
SIM card (if you want to change the location update information
on the SIM card so that the phone is already registered in advance,
EF_LOCI has to be modified).
One other thing: I did not notice those problems with the BS-11
yet. This ccould have two reasons: Differences in the oscillator
drift or because I usually turn off the HFC-E1 card if I don't
use OpenBSC. mISND on Linux is constantly running and the
E1 clock is on all the time, here in my configuration (Windows)
I turn off the HFC-E1 chip after running OpenBSC. According to
some documentation it can take up to 30 minutes until the
BS-11 synchronizes to the E1 clock. So maybe the BS-11 oscillator
is better than the oscillator of the E1 card and so the problem
only occurs if the BS-11 is locked to the E1 card ? Just a guess,
but I will try to see if I find an easy way to measure the BS-11
clock.
Best regards,
Dieter
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Dieter Spaar, Germany spaar(a)mirider.augusta.de
Hello Andreas,
On Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:44:52 +0200, "Andreas.Eversberg" <Andreas.Eversberg(a)versatel.de> wrote:
>
> does BS-11 need to react on telephone messages in order to show the
> network to the phone? or does the phone just receive the BS-11
> signalling information in order to display the available network? i
> don't know if the receiver works.
To just "see" the network, the phone does not have to send anything
and the BS-11 does not need to receive anything. This is necessary
only when the phone registers to the network (Location Update). However
the Abis link has to be up so that the cell information is sent, if
the Abis link is down, the transmitter is most certainly still sending
(I measured this here, but it was not yet confirmed by others so it
might be wrong) but a phone won't see the network (probably no
system information is sent in this case).
> also i can create BBSIG1 and PA1, but it will not be used by bsc_hack.
> what do i need to change in order to use the second transponder? maybe
> this one works.
I am not sure if OpenBSC already supports the second TRX.
Best regards,
Dieter
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Dieter Spaar, Germany spaar(a)mirider.augusta.de
hi,
i finally completed the BS-11 setup:
- original kernel 2.6.27.4 the mISDN-patch was for
- bs11 with software load as described in the wiki
- all BS-11 objects created as described
- PA test passed
- LMT shows no alarms (except cabinet-alarm)
- after start of bsc_hack, all 8 channels on the first tansmitter are
provisioned.
- FM receiver clearly receives transmitter on channel 123, where no
other base station is transmitting
but i do not get any other network on my mobile. my mobile just finds:
e-plus, t-mobile, o2, vodafone
any ideas?
thanx in advance
andreas
Hello Andreas,
On Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:36:15 +0200, "Andreas.Eversberg" <Andreas.Eversberg(a)versatel.de> wrote:
> the load is correct. i get an error pop-up while starting bsc_hack. this
> is because the LMT seems not to be 100% compatible with the load. with
> an older load i don't get this error pop-up, but it also doesn't work.
> also no alarms show on the LMT after syncing database. i will get the
> exact error message this weekend.
The error message that LMT is not compatible to the firmware version
should be no problem, it just complains about unknown attributes.
Its strange, because you already know that the transmitter
is working, so I wonder why you don't receive something on
the phone. Have you tried a different phone, just to be
sure ? Maybe also using a different ARFCN might help.
Best regards,
Dieter
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Dieter Spaar, Germany spaar(a)mirider.augusta.de
Hello Andreas,
On Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:26:18 +0200, "Andreas.Eversberg" <Andreas.Eversberg(a)versatel.de> wrote:
> i tried two different loads, many reboots. also i reconfigured the
> objects (delete / create). many restarts of the bsc_hack always gave the
> same results. transmitter is working fine, but no network indication on
> my mobile. (manual search).
This is strange. You have LMT, right ? And the correct version of
the firmware is loaded into the BS-11 ? HS010876.SWL for "SW Safety
Load" and HS011106.SWL for the normal software ?
> if it helps, i can provide root access to my test server this weekend.
I most certainly cannot help this way, if bsc_hack sends the configuration
and LMT shows no alerts than the BS-11 should actually work as configured
by bsc_hack.
Best regards,
Dieter
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Dieter Spaar, Germany spaar(a)mirider.augusta.de
Hello Andreas,
On Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:30:26 +0200, "Andreas.Eversberg" <Andreas.Eversberg(a)versatel.de> wrote:
>
> but i do not get any other network on my mobile. my mobile just finds:
> e-plus, t-mobile, o2, vodafone
>
> any ideas?
Have you already tried to restart OpenBSC ? I sometimes had the
impression that the first configuration of the BS-11 after it has
been turned on does not work. The second try to configure the BS-11
usually works.
Best regards,
Dieter
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Dieter Spaar, Germany spaar(a)mirider.augusta.de
the load is correct. i get an error pop-up while starting bsc_hack. this is because the LMT seems not to be 100% compatible with the load. with an older load i don't get this error pop-up, but it also doesn't work. also no alarms show on the LMT after syncing database. i will get the exact error message this weekend.
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Dieter Spaar [mailto:spaar@mirider.augusta.de]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. April 2009 13:48
An: Andreas.Eversberg
Cc: openbsc(a)lists.gnumonks.org
Betreff: Re: AW: BS-11 runs, but no Network on my Mobile
Hello Andreas,
On Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:26:18 +0200, "Andreas.Eversberg" <Andreas.Eversberg(a)versatel.de> wrote:
> i tried two different loads, many reboots. also i reconfigured the
> objects (delete / create). many restarts of the bsc_hack always gave the
> same results. transmitter is working fine, but no network indication on
> my mobile. (manual search).
This is strange. You have LMT, right ? And the correct version of
the firmware is loaded into the BS-11 ? HS010876.SWL for "SW Safety
Load" and HS011106.SWL for the normal software ?
> if it helps, i can provide root access to my test server this weekend.
I most certainly cannot help this way, if bsc_hack sends the configuration
and LMT shows no alerts than the BS-11 should actually work as configured
by bsc_hack.
Best regards,
Dieter
--
Dieter Spaar, Germany spaar(a)mirider.augusta.de
i tried two different loads, many reboots. also i reconfigured the objects (delete / create). many restarts of the bsc_hack always gave the same results. transmitter is working fine, but no network indication on my mobile. (manual search).
if it helps, i can provide root access to my test server this weekend.
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Dieter Spaar [mailto:spaar@mirider.augusta.de]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. April 2009 13:13
An: Andreas.Eversberg
Cc: openbsc(a)lists.gnumonks.org
Betreff: Re: BS-11 runs, but no Network on my Mobile
Hello Andreas,
On Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:30:26 +0200, "Andreas.Eversberg" <Andreas.Eversberg(a)versatel.de> wrote:
>
> but i do not get any other network on my mobile. my mobile just finds:
> e-plus, t-mobile, o2, vodafone
>
> any ideas?
Have you already tried to restart OpenBSC ? I sometimes had the
impression that the first configuration of the BS-11 after it has
been turned on does not work. The second try to configure the BS-11
usually works.
Best regards,
Dieter
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Dieter Spaar, Germany spaar(a)mirider.augusta.de
