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Complex FIR and Stereo support for rtl_fm
by Miroslav Slugeň 12 Nov '14

12 Nov '14

Hi again, I am working on my own SDR project for Stereo FM radio support, but i would like to also improve quality for rtl_fm application, i made unoficial patch to add: Complex FIR - to filter strong signals close to wanted signal Real FIR - to filter pilot from FM Stereo FIR Stereo Deemphasis AGC support - it can give better resolution of IQ data Some other improvments in FM radio code. All FIR filters has 3 possible variants, simple, LUT, SSE2 instricts, of course SSE is the fastest one and it should works on Intel Atoms, but not on ARM. Feel free to use any part of code in any of you programs, I know that this code is little to much to add it into rtl_fm, but maybe it could somebody help to recieve HW stereo FM radio. Speed of SSE code is much better than anything you can get around here, on Core i7 it consume only 5% of one CPU, so i could demodulate at least 80 channels at the same time in stereo quality of course. I tried this code only on AMD64 and GCC Linux, so i am not sure if it can be compiled under windows. -- Miroslav Slugeň +420 724 825 885 Teramos Multimedia s.r.o.

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rtl_tcp problem or not?
by Favati 25 Feb '14

25 Feb '14

Hi there! I'm using a dongle on a raspberry + rtl_tcp and sdrsharp on another machine (quad core.... 3gb ram...good machine!) The problem occour at 00:57 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E2MPfEzEi8 and at 1:34 in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8snz1wQSRpw If i stop and start sdrsharp, it works ok for some minutes...then the problem is up again! No errors appear on the console of raspberry/rtl_tcp I'm not able to understand if it's a problem of rtl_tcp,raspberry or whatelse... Things i've tryed: 1) Changed the samplerate 2) Changed the raspberry (tested tp1/tp2 too...getting 4.98v!!!) 3) Changed the dongle 4) Updated sdrsharp The dongles tryed work ok on a pc I've no more idea.... Anyone can help me? PS: If someone know a program that works in linux and is similar to sdrsharp AND CAN INTERFACE TO A REMOTE RTL_TCP...

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odd results working at 250ksp/s
by David Jacobowitz 10 Feb '14

10 Feb '14

Hi, I've been working on a project the involves tuning VOR signals. They are narrow band signals. > 25 kHz. For that, the wide bandwidth of the RTL dongles isn't that helpful to me. (and actually a hindrance when two signals are inside the sample range but widely different strengths) Anyway, the lowest I can get my dongles (R820T) to go is 250ksps, which is fine. I've been working at that frequency for awhile, but getting some strange results. For example, if I tune in to 116.8 MHz, which should be the OAK VOR, it works fine. But if I tune to 115.8 MHz, which should be the SFO VOR I get ... the OAK VOR. That is, there is a perfect copy of the OAK signal 1 MHz shifted down. If I switch the sample rate to 1.024Msps or 900ksps, I don't get this problem. I don't understand what is happening here. 1 MHz is an even multiple of 250kHz, so maybe I'm getting an image of OAK overpowering the relatively weaker SFO signal. But should there not be filters that manage this? I guess I was expecting that if the device is set to 250ksps, then it would "close down" filters appropriately to reject signals out of that band. But maybe the filters don't work properly below a certain sample rate? Like the rtl2832 can sample down to 250ksps, but the 820T tuner was not designed for it? Or perhaps I'm doing something wrong? Can I control the filters directly? I'm glad I find this issue because I was going nuts thinking my software had some mysterious bug. But I can reproduce this issue just with SDR# or whatever. :-) Regards. Dave J

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by Jeff Miller 31 Jan '14

31 Jan '14

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new FM demodulator
by Anders Lynge Esbensen 31 Jan '14

31 Jan '14

Hi and thanks for a great tool set. I've implemented a faster FM demodulator for rlt_fm. Its an instantaneous frequency demodulator, like the already implemented atan method, but it uses some math tricks to get rid of the the actual atan calculation. Feel free to use it if you wish Best regards Anders

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RE: kalibrate-rtl results...
by Jiao Xianjun 31 Jan '14

31 Jan '14

Though GSM spec has frequency hopping option, it can be switched on or off by operator. Yes, most operator switch it on. I think You too are talking different thing. GSM doesn't hops inside each 200khz channel. It hops among multiple 200khz channel. There is an exception: The downlink broadcasting carrier which carries FCCH SCH BCCH etc doesn't hop, and accordingly uplink RACH carrier doesn't hop either. These two uplink and downlink carrier frequency have a fixed 45MHz spacing if I recall correctly. I think most of calibration programs use downlink broadcasting carrier to calibrate the dongle, because it doesn't hop and is easy to be captured. You may also try my matlab calibration tool: https://github.com/JiaoXianjun/multi-rtl-sdr-calibration -----Original Message----- From: "Nikos Balkanas" <nikos.balkanas(a)eyeonix.com> Sent: ‎2014/‎1/‎31 19:13 To: "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph(a)schmid.xxx> Cc: "osmocom-sdr(a)lists.osmocom.org" <osmocom-sdr(a)lists.osmocom.org>; "Richard Koch" <n1gp(a)hotmail.com> Subject: Re: kalibrate-rtl results... On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras <ralph(a)schmid.xxx> wrote: GSM does not hop around inside its channel, this is wrong, the frequency is +- some Hz accurate, at least in normal western European commercial GSM networks. Are you sure about that? Check it out: https://svn.berlin.ccc.de/projects/airprobe/wiki/A Legend of first picture. If still in doubt that *most" GSM carriers are hoppers, use rtl_power to scan your region ;-) Nikos Ralph. From: osmocom-sdr-bounces(a)lists.osmocom.org [mailto:osmocom-sdr-bounces@lists.osmocom.org] On Behalf Of Nikos Balkanas Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 7:35 PM To: Richard Koch Cc: osmocom-sdr(a)lists.osmocom.org Subject: Re: kalibrate-rtl results... On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 8:21 PM, Richard Koch <n1gp(a)hotmail.com> wrote: I'm attempting to calibrate my RTL dongles. I notice they are all about 2-4khz off if I compare against a known broadcast station's frequency. I am trying out kalibrate-rtl and am getting varied results. I am in the US, so I did a 'kal -s EGSM -g 20' and got the following: chan: 991 (928.4MHz + 26.986kHz) power: 448020.99 chan: 1002 (930.6MHz - 5.631kHz) power: 320357.07 chan: 1003 (930.8MHz + 16.192kHz) power: 109489.92 Then 'kal -c CHANNELNUM -g 20' for each channel number. I then get the results below which the average frequency error looks different for each channel. It is consistent though if I run them multiple times. I would have expected less frequency error since I know that it is really only about 4Khz off. Or am I not reading the results correctly? Results seem OK. Do not forget that most BSTs hop around in their allotted 20 Khz channel. So a result of +/- 20 Khz shouldn't surprise you. Best calibrate against "anchor" BSTs that are steady. And yes, recommendation is to calibrate against 3 BSTs and correct for the average or stddev if you wish... Nikos -Rick Using device 0: Generic RTL2832U OEM Found Fitipower FC0013 tuner Exact sample rate is: 270833.002142 Hz Setting gain: 100.0 dB kal: Calculating clock frequency offset. Using E-GSM-900 channel 991 (928.4MHz) average [min, max] (range, stddev) + 21.342kHz [17837, 27433] (9596, 3402.206299) overruns: 0 not found: 199 average absolute error: -22.988 ppm Using device 0: Generic RTL2832U OEM Found Fitipower FC0013 tuner Exact sample rate is: 270833.002142 Hz Setting gain: 100.0 dB kal: Calculating clock frequency offset. Using E-GSM-900 channel 1002 (930.6MHz) average [min, max] (range, stddev) - 11.529kHz [-15293, -5679] (9614, 3640.780273) overruns: 0 not found: 194 average absolute error: 12.389 ppm Using device 0: Generic RTL2832U OEM Found Fitipower FC0013 tuner Exact sample rate is: 270833.002142 Hz Setting gain: 100.0 dB kal: Calculating clock frequency offset. Using E-GSM-900 channel 1003 (930.8MHz) average [min, max] (range, stddev) + 14.283kHz [9462, 19098] (9636, 4777.044922) overruns: 0 not found: 126 average absolute error: -15.345 ppm

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RE: How to get IQ samples from multiple rtl-sdr dongles inasynchronized manner?
by Jiao Xianjun 31 Jan '14

31 Jan '14

while, I can try it, and let's see. Actually, maybe I will turn it to C some time in the future. -----Original Message----- From: "Ron Senykoff" <rsenykoff(a)gmail.com> Sent: ‎2014/‎1/‎30 23:04 To: "Jiao Xianjun" <putaoshu(a)gmail.com> Cc: "jdow" <jdow(a)earthlink.net>; "osmocom-sdr(a)lists.osmocom.org" <osmocom-sdr(a)lists.osmocom.org> Subject: Re: How to get IQ samples from multiple rtl-sdr dongles inasynchronized manner? Hi Jiao, Thanks for your work on this. I'm curious if Octave could be used for some of this. -Ron / KB1UMH On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Jiao Xianjun <putaoshu(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi everybody, > > Let me report current progress of this thread. > > Now my matlab program can detect and correct sampling and carrier (both > phase and frequency) error for dongles, and show the sampling phase > difference between two dongles (at 8X oversampling rate) after correction. > > You can try it by yourself here : > https://github.com/JiaoXianjun/multi-rtl-sdr-calibration > > Some runs results have also been attached here. (time location of FCCH SCH > and BCCH have also been shown there in different color) > > In the attached pictures, you may find that from the GSM frame point of view > those FCCH, SCH and BCCH from two dongles seem almost in the same time > location. (this needs to be verified further by check/demodulate information > carried in SCH and BCCH, which is still under development). But if we > inspect the time location in a 8X oversampling scale (zoom-in), there is a > fixed sampling phase difference between two dongles (after correction > respectively). > > Unfortunately, this fixed sampling phase difference may vary from run to run > (one rum means we restart rtl_tcp). > Fortunately, it remains fixed in a single run. This offers us a opportunity > to track continuous input I&Q (don't re-run rtl_tcp!) from multiple dongles, > and needn't worry about phase/sampling jumping/discontinuous things. > > Why do carrier and sampling error estimation and correction respectively? > Inspired by James Peroulas james(a)peroulas.com (author of Lte-Cell-Scanner), > for example, when there is a non-coherent up/down-converter used outside > dongle (like MMDS LNB used by Omri Iluz omri(a)iluz.net to detect 2.4GHz band > signal), there won't be strict relationship between sampling error (which is > in baseband) and carrier error (which may be located in inside dongle or > outside dongle mixer). > > But for my in-hands dongles, sampling error and carrier seems have > relationship. This may be because they have common clock source inside > dongle. > > Which I detected by my matlab program gsm_sync_demod.m: > dongle 1: sampling PPM 27.1739, carrier PPM -28.513 > dongle 2: sampling PPM 116.3043, carrier PPM -118.4247 > > In my program a positive sampling PPM means sampling clock is slower than > standard/ideal source (in our case, this source is GSM base-station). If LO > of mixer uses the same clock as sampling, that may cause a lower LO in > mixer/down-converter. I guess the LO frequency of mixer in dongle is higher > than input antenna RF frequency, which means for mixer: output = LO - input. > Thus a lower LO generates a lower input into baseband, that's why I get a > negative carrier PPM (negative carrier PPM means detected carrier frequency > is lower than standard/ideal source). > I don't know if my guess is correct. Anyone is familiar with the hardware > architecture of the 820t dongle? > > BR > > Jiao Xianjun > > > > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 5:23 PM, jdow <jdow(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >> >> The last I looked rtl_tcp did not allow full control over the dongle. But, >> then, to do what I really want has required bypassing rtlsdr to go >> directly to the usb library so I can access the underlying USB system >> directly for a specific feature. (A feed through feature in rtlsdr's >> shared library would be nice when trying to nail down the dongle's >> identity for restoring context on program startup.) >> >> (Building an SDR program without multi-threading is rather like trying >> to build a bicycle without chains or cables. It can be done. But it's >> a pathetic tool when you get done with it. Erm, but I do note gear >> driven bikes need less maintenance under adverse conditions. Been there >> done that - MANY decades ago.) >> >> {^_^} Joanne/W6MKU >> >> >> On 2014/01/07 23:32, Jiao Xianjun wrote: >>> >>> Good idea. >>> >>> Thanks for your advice! >>> >>> But that seems we will do some repeating works. >>> >>> rtl_tcp already use mutiple buffers and multi-threading. So why not use >>> it >>> directly as a reliable relay. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 1:51 AM, jdow <jdow(a)earthlink.net >>> <mailto:jdow@earthlink.net>> wrote: >>> >>> Have you tried using ping-pong buffers? Process on one buffer and >>> receive >>> to another. You may have to use multi-threading to make this work >>> nicely. >>> >>> {^_^} Joanne/W6MKU >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2014/01/06 01:34, Jiao Xianjun wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Today I did some experiments using CW signal which is generated >>> by signal >>> generator. The conclusion is a little bit sad. >>> >>> sync read and UDP lose samples/data high probably: >>> 1. If there are some other operations (which costs some time) >>> between two >>> successive sync reads, some samples will be lost. >>> 2. Some times, UDP packets are just lost. >>> >>> So, seems that I have two choices: >>> 1. struggle to use async read mode. >>> 2. use rtl_tcp utility directly, which is offered with rtl-sdr >>> code. This >>> program use async mode and TCP, which has avoided the two >>> shortcomings I >>> addressed. >>> >>> I will try the 2nd method, and try to move on with calibration. >>> >>> BR >>> >>> Jiao Xianjun >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 8:34 PM, Jiao Xianjun <putaoshu(a)gmail.com >>> <mailto:putaoshu@gmail.com> >>> <mailto:putaoshu@gmail.com <mailto:putaoshu@gmail.com>>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have questions on usage of rtlsdr_read_sync(dev, buffer, >>> out_block_size, >>> &n_read): >>> >>> For example, if sampling rate is 1Msps, and out_block_size >>> is 1000000, >>> question is: >>> >>> 1. the rtlsdr_read_sync() will cost 1s exactly? Or is there >>> any >>> lower level >>> device/driver buffer, which perhaps feed rtlsdr_read_sync() >>> with >>> history >>> data quickly and makes rtlsdr_read_sync() return in a time >>> shorter >>> than 1s? >>> >>> 2. in this infinite processing loop: >>> while(1) >>> { >>> rtlsdr_read_sync(dev, buffer, out_block_size, &n_read); >>> processing_function(buffer); // let's assume that this cost >>> 0.001s >>> } >>> Those samples during the 0.001s processing period will be >>> losted or >>> not? Is >>> there any method to not lost them? >>> >>> Thanks very much! >>> >>> BR >>> >>> Jiao Xianjun >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Jiao Xianjun >>> <putaoshu(a)gmail.com >>> <mailto:putaoshu@gmail.com> >>> <mailto:putaoshu@gmail.com <mailto:putaoshu@gmail.com>>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I see some UDP packet performance issues in my laptop >>> (but not >>> in my >>> desktop computer). Will the common (interleave multiple >>> receives) UDP >>> link helps? >>> >>> The issue is that fread for the second dongle in matlab >>> get >>> less data >>> than expectation sometimes. Seem that fread for the >>> first >>> dongle works well. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------__------------------------------__-------------------- >>> >>> From: Sdr Guru <mailto:sdrguru1@gmail.com >>> <mailto:sdrguru1@gmail.com>> >>> >>> Sent: 2014/1/2 5:39 >>> >>> To: osmocom-sdr(a)lists.osmocom.org >>> <mailto:osmocom-sdr@lists.osmocom.org> >>> <mailto:osmocom-sdr@lists.__osmocom.org >>> >>> <mailto:osmocom-sdr@lists.osmocom.org>> >>> >>> >>> Subject: Re: How to get IQ samples from multiple rtl-sdr >>> dongles in >>> asynchronized manner? >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> rtl-sdr-relay >>> Some of the recommendations. >>> Please add PPM error calculation, exactly like new >>> rtl_test -p >>> but multiple receivers simultaneously. >>> It provides immediate information if something is wrong >>> with >>> USB or dongles. >>> >>> https://github.com/keenerd/__rtl-sdr/commit/__b5f89dcf40463130e717b6c9bb3a3… >>> >>> <https://github.com/keenerd/rtl-sdr/commit/b5f89dcf40463130e717b6c9bb3a39a3c…> >>> https://github.com/keenerd/__rtl-sdr/blob/master/src/rtl___test.c >>> >>> <https://github.com/keenerd/rtl-sdr/blob/master/src/rtl_test.c> >>> >>> Please add automatic eeprom PPM calibration >>> >>> https://github.com/keenerd/__rtl-sdr/commit/__ecf267737ca52f5005b7a12a35230… >>> >>> >>> <https://github.com/keenerd/rtl-sdr/commit/ecf267737ca52f5005b7a12a352307e8c…> >>> >>> default sample rate 2.4M (28.8/12) or 1.2M (28.8/24), >>> probably >>> lower jitter >>> MAX_NUM_DEV 4->16 :) >>> >>> Some nice to have features. >>> ip binding >>> multicast support >>> one common (interleaved) stream of all the receivers >>> timestamped stream >>> >>> I'm trying to convert MATLAB script to Ocatve. >>> >>> SG >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Jiao Xianjun >>> <putaoshu(a)gmail.com <mailto:putaoshu@gmail.com> >>> <mailto:putaoshu@gmail.com <mailto:putaoshu@gmail.com>>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> For the multiple dongles synchronization in signal >>> level >>> instead of >>> bits/packets level, I setup a working repo in >>> github, and >>> write a >>> initial demo framework. See below: >>> >>> https://github.com/__JiaoXianjun/multi-rtl-sdr-udp-__relay.git >>> >>> <https://github.com/JiaoXianjun/multi-rtl-sdr-udp-relay.git> >>> >>> You may find information and instruction of demo >>> quickly by >>> reading >>> the README. >>> >>> My initial purpose is performing in-fly calibration >>> for >>> multiple >>> dongles according to some pre-known signal (GSM, >>> ADS-B?) to >>> let them >>> work together coherently. >>> >>> An ideal scheme may be that we should generate a >>> very >>> narrow band >>> and very week signal in (or just located at the edge >>> of) target >>> working band of dongles, and perform the software >>> in-fly >>> calibration >>> in background (or driver level). This would be user >>> friendly. >>> >>> I know it is far from final state currently, and >>> many >>> things are not >>> clear yet (See TODO). But please join me if you also >>> think >>> this is a >>> good idea. Just check out the demo and run it to >>> have a look. >>> >>> Currently I just test the demo in Ubuntu-Linux. >>> >>> BR >>> >>> Jiao Xianjun > >

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rtl_fm.c & fast_atan2
by Nikos Balkanas 30 Jan '14

30 Jan '14

Is this correct? if (x >= 0) { >.......angle = pi4 - pi4 * (x-yabs) / (x+yabs); } else { .......angle = pi34 - pi4 * (x+yabs) / (yabs-x); } Shouldn't it be: if (x >= 0) { >.......angle = pi34 - pi4 * (x-yabs) / (x+yabs); } else { .......angle = pi34 - pi4 * (x+yabs) / (yabs-x); } TIA, Nikos

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Re: How to get IQ samples from multiple rtl-sdr dongles in asynchronized manner?
by Jiao Xianjun 30 Jan '14

30 Jan '14

Hi everybody, Let me report current progress of this thread. Now my matlab program can detect and correct sampling and carrier (both phase and frequency) error for dongles, and show the sampling phase difference between two dongles (at 8X oversampling rate) after correction. You can try it by yourself here : https://github.com/JiaoXianjun/multi-rtl-sdr-calibration Some runs results have also been attached here. (time location of FCCH SCH and BCCH have also been shown there in different color) In the attached pictures, you may find that from the GSM frame point of view those FCCH, SCH and BCCH from two dongles seem almost in the same time location. (this needs to be verified further by check/demodulate information carried in SCH and BCCH, which is still under development). But if we inspect the time location in a 8X oversampling scale (zoom-in), there is a fixed sampling phase difference between two dongles (after correction respectively). Unfortunately, this fixed sampling phase difference may vary from run to run (one rum means we restart rtl_tcp). Fortunately, it remains fixed in a single run. This offers us a opportunity to track continuous input I&Q (don't re-run rtl_tcp!) from multiple dongles, and needn't worry about phase/sampling jumping/discontinuous things. Why do carrier and sampling error estimation and correction respectively? Inspired by James Peroulas james(a)peroulas.com (author of Lte-Cell-Scanner), for example, when there is a non-coherent up/down-converter used outside dongle (like MMDS LNB used by Omri Iluz omri(a)iluz.net to detect 2.4GHz band signal), there won't be strict relationship between sampling error (which is in baseband) and carrier error (which may be located in inside dongle or outside dongle mixer). But for my in-hands dongles, sampling error and carrier seems have relationship. This may be because they have common clock source inside dongle. Which I detected by my matlab program gsm_sync_demod.m: dongle 1: sampling PPM 27.1739, carrier PPM -28.513 dongle 2: sampling PPM 116.3043, carrier PPM -118.4247 In my program a positive sampling PPM means sampling clock is slower than standard/ideal source (in our case, this source is GSM base-station). If LO of mixer uses the same clock as sampling, that may cause a lower LO in mixer/down-converter. I guess the LO frequency of mixer in dongle is higher than input antenna RF frequency, which means for mixer: output = LO - input. Thus a lower LO generates a lower input into baseband, that's why I get a negative carrier PPM (negative carrier PPM means detected carrier frequency is lower than standard/ideal source). I don't know if my guess is correct. Anyone is familiar with the hardware architecture of the 820t dongle? BR Jiao Xianjun On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 5:23 PM, jdow <jdow(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > The last I looked rtl_tcp did not allow full control over the dongle. But, > then, to do what I really want has required bypassing rtlsdr to go > directly to the usb library so I can access the underlying USB system > directly for a specific feature. (A feed through feature in rtlsdr's > shared library would be nice when trying to nail down the dongle's > identity for restoring context on program startup.) > > (Building an SDR program without multi-threading is rather like trying > to build a bicycle without chains or cables. It can be done. But it's > a pathetic tool when you get done with it. Erm, but I do note gear > driven bikes need less maintenance under adverse conditions. Been there > done that - MANY decades ago.) > > {^_^} Joanne/W6MKU > > > On 2014/01/07 23:32, Jiao Xianjun wrote: > >> Good idea. >> >> Thanks for your advice! >> >> But that seems we will do some repeating works. >> >> rtl_tcp already use mutiple buffers and multi-threading. So why not use it >> directly as a reliable relay. >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 1:51 AM, jdow <jdow(a)earthlink.net >> <mailto:jdow@earthlink.net>> wrote: >> >> Have you tried using ping-pong buffers? Process on one buffer and >> receive >> to another. You may have to use multi-threading to make this work >> nicely. >> >> {^_^} Joanne/W6MKU >> >> >> On 2014/01/06 01:34, Jiao Xianjun wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Today I did some experiments using CW signal which is generated >> by signal >> generator. The conclusion is a little bit sad. >> >> sync read and UDP lose samples/data high probably: >> 1. If there are some other operations (which costs some time) >> between two >> successive sync reads, some samples will be lost. >> 2. Some times, UDP packets are just lost. >> >> So, seems that I have two choices: >> 1. struggle to use async read mode. >> 2. use rtl_tcp utility directly, which is offered with rtl-sdr >> code. This >> program use async mode and TCP, which has avoided the two >> shortcomings I >> addressed. >> >> I will try the 2nd method, and try to move on with calibration. >> >> BR >> >> Jiao Xianjun >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 8:34 PM, Jiao Xianjun <putaoshu(a)gmail.com >> <mailto:putaoshu@gmail.com> >> <mailto:putaoshu@gmail.com <mailto:putaoshu@gmail.com>>> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I have questions on usage of rtlsdr_read_sync(dev, buffer, >> out_block_size, >> &n_read): >> >> For example, if sampling rate is 1Msps, and out_block_size >> is 1000000, >> question is: >> >> 1. the rtlsdr_read_sync() will cost 1s exactly? Or is there >> any >> lower level >> device/driver buffer, which perhaps feed rtlsdr_read_sync() >> with >> history >> data quickly and makes rtlsdr_read_sync() return in a time >> shorter >> than 1s? >> >> 2. in this infinite processing loop: >> while(1) >> { >> rtlsdr_read_sync(dev, buffer, out_block_size, &n_read); >> processing_function(buffer); // let's assume that this cost >> 0.001s >> } >> Those samples during the 0.001s processing period will be >> losted or >> not? Is >> there any method to not lost them? >> >> Thanks very much! >> >> BR >> >> Jiao Xianjun >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Jiao Xianjun < >> putaoshu(a)gmail.com >> <mailto:putaoshu@gmail.com> >> <mailto:putaoshu@gmail.com <mailto:putaoshu@gmail.com>>> >> wrote: >> >> I see some UDP packet performance issues in my laptop >> (but not >> in my >> desktop computer). Will the common (interleave multiple >> receives) UDP >> link helps? >> >> The issue is that fread for the second dongle in matlab >> get >> less data >> than expectation sometimes. Seem that fread for the first >> dongle works well. >> >> ------------------------------__---------------------------- >> --__-------------------- >> >> From: Sdr Guru <mailto:sdrguru1@gmail.com >> <mailto:sdrguru1@gmail.com>> >> Sent: 2014/1/2 5:39 >> >> To: osmocom-sdr(a)lists.osmocom.org >> <mailto:osmocom-sdr@lists.osmocom.org> >> <mailto:osmocom-sdr@lists.__osmocom.org >> >> <mailto:osmocom-sdr@lists.osmocom.org>> >> >> Subject: Re: How to get IQ samples from multiple rtl-sdr >> dongles in >> asynchronized manner? >> >> Hi >> >> rtl-sdr-relay >> Some of the recommendations. >> Please add PPM error calculation, exactly like new >> rtl_test -p >> but multiple receivers simultaneously. >> It provides immediate information if something is wrong >> with >> USB or dongles. >> https://github.com/keenerd/__rtl-sdr/commit/__ >> b5f89dcf40463130e717b6c9bb3a39__a3c8b9535f >> <https://github.com/keenerd/rtl-sdr/commit/ >> b5f89dcf40463130e717b6c9bb3a39a3c8b9535f> >> https://github.com/keenerd/__rtl-sdr/blob/master/src/rtl___test.c >> >> <https://github.com/keenerd/rtl-sdr/blob/master/src/rtl_test.c> >> >> Please add automatic eeprom PPM calibration >> https://github.com/keenerd/__rtl-sdr/commit/__ >> ecf267737ca52f5005b7a12a352307__e8cd763ed6 >> >> <https://github.com/keenerd/rtl-sdr/commit/ >> ecf267737ca52f5005b7a12a352307e8cd763ed6> >> >> default sample rate 2.4M (28.8/12) or 1.2M (28.8/24), >> probably >> lower jitter >> MAX_NUM_DEV 4->16 :) >> >> Some nice to have features. >> ip binding >> multicast support >> one common (interleaved) stream of all the receivers >> timestamped stream >> >> I'm trying to convert MATLAB script to Ocatve. >> >> SG >> >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Jiao Xianjun >> <putaoshu(a)gmail.com <mailto:putaoshu@gmail.com> >> <mailto:putaoshu@gmail.com <mailto:putaoshu@gmail.com>>> >> wrote: >> >> Hi guys, >> >> For the multiple dongles synchronization in signal >> level >> instead of >> bits/packets level, I setup a working repo in >> github, and >> write a >> initial demo framework. See below: >> >> https://github.com/__JiaoXianjun/multi-rtl-sdr-udp-__relay.git >> >> <https://github.com/JiaoXianjun/multi-rtl-sdr-udp-relay.git> >> >> You may find information and instruction of demo >> quickly by >> reading >> the README. >> >> My initial purpose is performing in-fly calibration >> for >> multiple >> dongles according to some pre-known signal (GSM, >> ADS-B?) to >> let them >> work together coherently. >> >> An ideal scheme may be that we should generate a very >> narrow band >> and very week signal in (or just located at the edge >> of) target >> working band of dongles, and perform the software >> in-fly >> calibration >> in background (or driver level). This would be user >> friendly. >> >> I know it is far from final state currently, and many >> things are not >> clear yet (See TODO). But please join me if you also >> think >> this is a >> good idea. Just check out the demo and run it to >> have a look. >> >> Currently I just test the demo in Ubuntu-Linux. >> >> BR >> >> Jiao Xianjun >> >

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FW: Incorrect samplerate from RTL-SDR
by Richard Koch 30 Jan '14

30 Jan '14

JP, Thanks for your reply and explanation. I understand the cutting the coefficient table in half since it repeats in a backwards manner, but what I don't understand is why half the table is in 8 bit and the other in 12 bit? Also I now understand that there is not enough room for extra coefficients in the rtl2832 for lower bandwidth than 2048Khz. That is unfortunate if you want lower bandwidth as it forces you to sample at 2048 or greater and perform your own FIR and decimation consuming CPU cycles on your host. On an armv4 SBC that is very taxing :^) -Rick > Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 01:50:51 +0100 > From: j-pi(a)seznam.cz > To: n1gp(a)hotmail.com; osmocom-sdr(a)lists.osmocom.org > Subject: Re: Incorrect samplerate from RTL-SDR > CC: steve(a)steve-m.de > > You cannot fit internal FIR filter in SDR to such narrow bandwidth, it > does not have enough coefficients. > You can adapt it only to wider band width (some small improvement can be > done for > sample rates above 2048 kHz). Select proper values is a bit tricky and > specialised software > is almost unavoidable. You can get good hint from FIR filter designer in > GNU Radio, but > this software is not designed for this task and the work is cumbersome. > > The 8 / 12 bit means the coefficients can be only in range form -128 to > 127 / -2048 to 2047. > The usual FIR coefficients absolute value decreases from center to the > side eg: > > 1, -3, 5, 10, 5, -3, 1, > > so this just reduces complexity of the device. > > For lower bandwidth you need more cofficients (more samples because the > wave is wider). > > JP > > > Dne 9.1.2014 23:53, Richard Koch napsal(a): > > Hi Steve, > > > > In regards to your post about the anti-aliasing filter > > you referred to, it appears that it is getting set in > > librtlsdr.c, rtlsdr_init_baseband() > > > > If one wanted to change that to optimize the anti-aliasing > > to a lower bandwidth, say 1500 Khz instead of the 2048 Khz > > > > How would you change the fir_coeff[] table entries to achieve > > this? The 8 bit entries and 12 bit entries are confusing to me. > > > > > > ==== orig post ==== > > > >> I have seen other reports on the mailing list, saying that sample rates > >> between 300 kS/s and 900 kS/s don't work. If this applies to all RTL > >> devices, then maybe it should be documented and the library can return > >> an error code for such sample rates. Otherwise people will keep walking > >> into this trap. > > We could return some sort of error in those cases, but such low rates > > (< 1MS/s) aren't recommended in general. First of all, the > > anti-aliasing filter we're using has a fixed bandwidth of 2 MHz, and > > although the coefficients can be changed, I doubt you can get a nice > > filter for lower bandwidths with such a low order. And then the ADCs > > only have 8 bits resolution, so you want to improve that by decimating, > > and also profit from decimation gain. > > Even Realtek uses 2.048 MS/s for FM reception in their original Windows > > software. > >

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