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Re: GSMTAP based Virtual PHY merged in OsmocomBB and OsmoBTS
by Vadim Yanitskiy 17 Jul '17

17 Jul '17

Hi Harald and Sebastian, > Some of you will have alrady noticed, over the last few days I reviewed, > cleaned up, submitted and merged the virtual Um interface support on > both the phone side (OsmocomBB) as well as on the BTS side (OsmoBTS). First, my congratulations to Sebastian, great work! I also would like to add my two cents to this topic. As we already discussed with Harald, the virtual Um-interface could be helpful for testing, so I have some ideas regarding to this application. Regarding to the previous topic, where the problem of multiple BTS and multiple MS was discussed. I am not going to say, than my implementation of virtual Um-interface is better or worse. Moreover, one was created for my personal requirements just for testing of some code parts I am currently working on. Instead of that, I would like to do some relative analysis of both implementations: - At the moment, my implementation do support only a single MS <-> BTS connection. But, I have been writing all the code as modular as possible, so handling multiple L1CTL connections at the same socket (/tmp/osmocom_l2) could be added by a few lines of code. Currently the L1CTL link handler discard any incoming connections if there is already established one. This behaviour could be changed to accept more than one connection, allocating dedicated set of structures (trx interface, scheduler stuff, etc.) for each. - Regarding to the current state of work, I have xCCH RX / TX working, so L23 applications are capable to establish a dedicated channel and perform regular operations like: LUR, USSD, SMS, etc. Right now I am woring on TCH, relaying at OsmoBTS source code. As I know, mobile app can be connected to Linux Call Router, so this could be used for TCH testing (high load if required). - As I use OsmoTRX style transceiver interface for OsmocomBB, no changes are required on OsmoBTS side. All bursts are being forwarded from BTS to MS and vice versa through a simple Python application. From the other side, this limits us to use osmo-bts-trx with its compatibility issues. If you think, why Python? I've choosed this language because of implementation speed - first working code was ready after a hour of work. CPU load is about 2%, the most hungry is a clock generator. Anyway, it can be easily reimplemented in C for better performance. So, if you guys think that this implementation could be useful for high load / regression testing too, just let me know, and I'll do required changes in the source code. With best regards, Vadim Yanitskiy.

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GSMTAP based Virtual PHY merged in OsmocomBB and OsmoBTS
by Harald Welte 15 Jul '17

15 Jul '17

Hi all! Some of you will have alrady noticed, over the last few days I reviewed, cleaned up, submitted and merged the virtual Um interface support on both the phone side (OsmocomBB) as well as on the BTS side (OsmoBTS). Thanks to Sebastian Stumpf for working out most of the related code, after my initial attempt on this got stalled more than 1.5 years ago. This means that you can now run a complete circuit-switched GSM network without posession of any real hardware or use of any radio waves. While that takes away almost all the fun for some of us (I would typically agree), it opens up possibilities, particularly in terms of testing. If anyone wants to play with it, it's actually very easy: * build osmo-bts and the rest of the network-side code (I don't think osmo-bts-virtual is part of the nightly Osmocom packages yet, sorry) * run osmo-bts-virtual with a config file (example included in osmo-bts.git) * make sure you have matching unit_id, band, ... between BTS and BSC/NITB, just like with real hardware OsmoBTS will start to send downlink BCCH / CCCH frames to a multicast IPv4 address (default: 239.193.23.1) to the usual GSMTAP port 4729. If you don't have any specific multicast routing set up, this will be visible with TTL=1 on the network device of your default route. You should see the GSMTAP frames in wireshark. On the OsmocomBB side, simply start the virt_phy binary. It replaces your calypso based phoen and its firmware and offers the L1CTL socket to the "layer23" programs like "mobile". Once virt_phy is running, you can start "mobile" just like with real hardware. The phone will scan the multicast frames for BCCH messages, build up a list of currently received BTSs and then perform normal cell selection followed by location update. Everything from this point on is just normal. You cannot make voice calls, but any signaling related transactions (LU, SMS, USSD, even call signalling) should work. Voice is missing as there is no format specified on how to transmit FR/EFR/HR/AMR frames over GSMTAP yet. If somebody plays with this, I would really appreciate if they could update the Osmocom wiki with a guide/howto on how to use such a setup. My personal plans are to use this for verification/testing of those bits that are difficult in a true end-to-end setup like osmo-gsm-tester. That includes: * simulation of massive amount of phones, more than one can easily set up in a lab and connect to USB + RF cabling. * verification of SYSTEM INFORMATION messages, particularly in response to different config files, ensuring that all related bits are set correctly at all times, even after making dynamic updates * verification of the PAGING code, i.e. that paging load is correctly reported, paging messages are structured correctly, ... * exhausting all channels using simulated phones, verification of IMM.ASS.REJECT being sent ins such cases * verification of TA loop * verification of uplink power control loop * verification of radio link timeout * testing of emergency calls, which is very critical with real phones as there's always some possible leakage into real networks * verification of correct CBCH messages * verification of LAPDm contention resolution (two phones selecting same RACH value and going both on same dedicated channel) * verification of measurement reporting (Um vs. RSL) * verification of downlink RF power ramping This will of course take some time, but I'm already making good progress implementing some SYSTEM INFORMATION test code. In case somebody wants to join in on any of the above topics (or has even more ideas on what kind of tests he would want to implement), feel free to follow up so we can coordinate. Regards, Harald -- - Harald Welte <laforge(a)gnumonks.org> http://laforge.gnumonks.org/ ============================================================================ "Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option." (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)

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Re: Couldn't get connectivity to Motorolla c118 on writing osmocombb
by Anton Gorbachev 12 Jul '17

12 Jul '17

Hi, Which USB-TTL converter do you use? What is the output of PuTTY and mincom? Post it here. Try using -m c123 instead of -m c123xor KR, Anton 2017-06-05 8:30 GMT+03:00 baymax Robo <baymax254(a)gmail.com>: > HI again, > > I replaced my ttl converter, now my phone is able to communicate via > serial port but osmocon is unable to write hello world binary. The output > of following command is given > > $ ./osmocon -p /dev/ttyUSB0 -m c123xor ../../target/firmware/board/ > compal_e88/hello_world.compalram.bin > > > output: > > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: f7 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 72 r > got 3 bytes from modem, data looks like: 82 bf 7d ..} > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: fd . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 7f . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: a6 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 51 Q > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: d2 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 51 Q > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 0a . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 3a : > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 4d M > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: a3 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: a3 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: da . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: f7 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 72 r > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 82 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: bf . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 7d } > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: fd . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 7f . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: a6 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 51 Q > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: d2 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 51 Q > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 0a . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 3a : > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 4d M > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: a3 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: a3 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: da . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: fb . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 72 r > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 82 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: bf . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 7d } > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: fd . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 7f . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: a6 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 51 Q > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: d2 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 51 Q > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 0a . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 3a : > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 4d M > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: a3 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: a3 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: da . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: fb . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 72 r > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 82 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: bf . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 7d } > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: fd . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 7f . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: a6 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 51 Q > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: d2 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 51 Q > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 0a . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 3a : > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 4d M > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: a3 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: a3 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: da . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: f7 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 72 r > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 82 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: bf . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 7d } > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: fd . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 7f . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: a6 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 51 Q > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: d2 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 51 Q > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 0a . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 3a : > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 4d M > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: a3 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: a3 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: da . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: ff . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: f7 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 72 r > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 82 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: bf . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 7d } > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: fd . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 7f . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: a6 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 51 Q > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: d2 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 51 Q > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 0a . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 3a : > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 4d M > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: a3 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: a3 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: da . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: f7 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 72 r > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 82 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: bf . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 7d } > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: fd . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 7f . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: a6 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 51 Q > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: d2 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 51 Q > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 0a . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 3a : > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 4d M > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: a3 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: a3 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: da . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: fb . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 72 r > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 82 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: bf . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 7d } > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: fd . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 7f . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: a6 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 51 Q > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: d2 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 51 Q > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 0a . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 3a : > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 4d M > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: a3 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: a3 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: da . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > got 1 bytes from modem, data looks like: 00 . > > > and output on putty is unreadable. Kindly guide me what's wrong and how > can it be fixed. > Thanks > > On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 12:39 PM, Anton Gorbachev <antgorka(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> If you cannot get @ftmtoolerror with minicom then your jack is NOT >> working or your TTL converter is broken (was burnt during soldering?:) >> >> If you have another OS (e.g. Windows machine) you can put the device in >> the PC, find out which serial line it is using, >> run PuTTY, set Destination to Serial, COM9 (or what you find out), >> speed 115200, connect. >> Then push the power button on motorola, you must see @ftmtoolerror there. >> If not, try another jack, another TTL converter, remove phone plastic case >> as I told already.. >> >> No more ideas :) >> >> KR, >> Anton >> >> >> 2017-06-01 10:27 GMT+03:00 baymax Robo <baymax254(a)gmail.com>: >> >>> Oh okay. The headphone jack is working fine, i have tested it. And >>> helloworld isn't working. Can you tell some other method to test phones >>> connectivity with my system. >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 12:16 PM, Anton Gorbachev <antgorka(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Check the picture >>>> https://osmocom.org/attachments/download/2091/motorola_c123_ >>>> hello_world.jpg >>>> >>>> I mean the outer plastic case of the phone may not allow your jack to >>>> be inserted at the whole length to thoe whole even if it looks like OK. >>>> It depends on your jack case shape. >>>> >>>> KR, >>>> Anton >>>> >>>> 2017-06-01 9:57 GMT+03:00 baymax Robo <baymax254(a)gmail.com>: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for replying back. >>>>> >>>>> I am not using virtualized environment. No success with minicom test. >>>>> What exactly do you mean by jack is being plugged on the whole length, i >>>>> didn't get it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 11:16 AM, Anton Gorbachev <antgorka(a)gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> Are you sure the jack is being plugged on the whole length? >>>>>> Did you get success with minicom test? >>>>>> I would recommend you to disassemble phone and check whether the jack >>>>>> plugged an the whole length. >>>>>> Do you use virtualized OS or normal? If virtualized, try to play with >>>>>> the settings. >>>>>> >>>>>> KR, >>>>>> Anton >>>>>> >>>>>> 2017-06-01 7:30 GMT+03:00 baymax Robo <baymax254(a)gmail.com>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am trying to write osmocombb to Motorolla c118 phone by following >>>>>>> the given [1] guide.I have successfully compiled firmware binaries but >>>>>>> having issues while writing them to phone. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I connected motorolla c118 via USB Serial To RS232 TTL to 2.5mm >>>>>>> audio jack, using the given guide [2] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When I run this command >>>>>>> >>>>>>> $ dmesg | grep tty >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I get the following output >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [ 0.000000] console [tty0] enabled >>>>>>> [ 14.946936] usb 3-6: pl2303 converter now attached to ttyUSB0 >>>>>>> [ 973.747957] pl2303 ttyUSB0: pl2303 converter now disconnected >>>>>>> from ttyUSB0 >>>>>>> [ 1484.595816] usb 3-6: pl2303 converter now attached to ttyUSB0 >>>>>>> [ 1845.344494] pl2303 ttyUSB0: pl2303 converter now disconnected >>>>>>> from ttyUSB0 >>>>>>> [ 2643.566407] usb 3-6: pl2303 converter now attached to ttyUSB1 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And on running this >>>>>>> >>>>>>> $ sudo cu -l /dev/ttyUSB1 -s 115200 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I get a connected message but no further progress is done. When i >>>>>>> press Power button briefly, no activity is shown. I have tried with two >>>>>>> phones but no success on any. I have checked the connectivity between >>>>>>> headphone jack and USB serial chip via voltmeter, it is fine as well. Also >>>>>>> tried by doing Master reset on phone but no use. What can be issue and how >>>>>>> can i fix it. ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kindly ignore any mistakes, i am new to this domain, couldn't find >>>>>>> much help on google as well :( >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [1] >>>>>>> https://osmocom.org/projects/baseband/wiki/Software_Getting_Started >>>>>>> https://osmocom.org/projects/baseband/wiki/Osmocon >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [2] >>>>>>> http://www.linuxx.eu/2014/09/osmocombb-hardware-and-software >>>>>>> -setup.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [2] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >

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Re: SDR PHY status update
by Vadim Yanitskiy 12 Jul '17

12 Jul '17

Hi Maxim, > Really cool hack - nice to see it's progressing :) Thanks! > Is there some wiki page or readme somewhere which can be > used as more detailed reference? I'm sure people trying to > replicate your setup would appreciate it. Good idea! I'll write a brief description, how to run on SDR and the road map of the project. > Also, what are you plans regarding upstreaming osmocom-bb changes? Well, there are many. Some points from my TODO list: - Restructurize the project to have a common include directory for both 'host' and 'target' parts. I don't like the current problem with 'l1ctl_proto.h': we have several symlinks because the '$(top_srcdir)/include' is out of include path. - Extend the L1CTL protocol to have a capability to request some information about L1 platform, e.g. TX_SUPPORT, FHSS_SUPPORT, SIM_SUPPORT, PHY_TYPE, etc. See http://osmocom.org/issues/1461 for details. - Finish Harald's work, related to getting rid of outdated copy of libosmocore inside OsmocomBB. Some things are still require careful testing after migration to newer code. - Since we have some good updates in Osmcoom gapk, it would be cool to have audio playback and recording implemented in mobile application. This way, it will be possible to speak exactly from PC running the GSM L2 and L3 stack. - Write a simple (the most things already implemented) tool, aimed to provide TDMA clock indications from existing BTS. I'll be happy to see any opinions and additions ;) With best regards, Vadim Yanitskiy.

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SDR PHY status update
by Vadim Yanitskiy 11 Jul '17

11 Jul '17

Dear Osmocom community, I would like to share some good news about development of SDR PHY for OsmocomBB. In a few words: I was managed to make xCCH and SCH decoding work, so the ccch_scan application works now! As already pointed out, I use GNURadio and GR-GSM as a back-end for signal processing (burst detection and demodulation). Despite GR-GSM provides some blocks for decoding bursts into L2 packets, there are some reasons why I don't use them: - First of all, I would like to keep OsmocomBB compatible with OsmoTRX, which can only work with raw GSM bursts. Moreover, one already has TX capability and better stability. - GR-GSM is only capable to decode xCCH and TCH/F. Other logical channels (like TCH/H and PDTCH) aren't supported yet. - GR-GSM uses decoding implementation from OpenBTS project, which has lower performance / code quality than implementation from libosmocoding. BTW: Piotr Krysik was working on this issue, and some work, related to libosmocoding migration, already done, but not finished for now. So, we have a simple GR-GSM follow graph, which sends GSM bursts and some corresponding info (RSSI, frame number, timeslot index) to the application I am currently working on - trxcon. I have migrated and a bit modified TDMA scheduler from OsmoBTS project. At the moment, the application is capable to collect xCCH and SCH bursts, decode them and send to higher layer applications (L2 & L3) via L1CTL link. Regarding to L1CTL protocol, trxcon handles the following requests: - L1CTL_RESET_REQ - L1CTL_FBSB_REQ - L1CTL_CCCH_MODE_REQ - L1CTL_ECHO_REQ All the results of my work may be found here: https://github.com/axilirator/gr-gsm/tree/fixeria/trx http://git.osmocom.org/osmocom-bb/log/?h=fixeria/sdr_phy If someone would like to test, one will need: - GNURadio framework - gr-osmosdr - Custom GR-GSM with 'TRX Interface' block (link above) - fixeria/sdr_phy branch of OsmocomBB (link above) - SDR device supported by gr-osmosdr Regarding to the latest requirement, UmTRX board requires external power source / active cooling, and takes some space on my table, so I use RTL-SDR. Sounds crazy, but OsmocomBB works on RTL-SDR ;) One could be used until TX capabilities are implemented. With best regards, Vadim Yanitskiy.

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Creating GSM Users Association (GSMUA)
by Mychaela Falconia 06 Jul '17

06 Jul '17

Hello FreeCalypso and Osmocom communities, I am in the process of creating an informal organisation representing the interests of those members of the GSM universe whose interests are not represented by GSMA etc, and I am inviting you to join me in this venture. I propose that we name our informal organisation GSMUA, standing for GSM Users Association, and my vision for this GSMUA is to be a counter-body (antibody?) to the official GSMA. I just registered the gsmua.org domain name, but there is no website or mailing list set up yet. If someone from the Osmocom camp would like to host the server infrastructure for gsmua.org, I will happily point the DNS to you, otherwise the FreeCalypso family can host it on our server. My vision for GSMUA is to represent the interests of GSM end users (empowered end users who wish to fully own and control all aspects of their user equipment while operating on public mobile networks in a fully spec-compliant manner), small boutique manufacturers of GSM devices (both MS/user equipment and network infrastructure), small community network operators and others whose interests are not represented by GSMA etc, especially in cases where our interests are in direct conflict with the interests of big players such as giant device manufacturers, giant commercial network operators and governments. A key goal of GSMUA is to be project-neutral, that is, every person and every small company belonging to any of the categories listed above (empowered end user, small boutique device manufacturer, small community network operator etc) should be fully welcome regardless of which specific project they are associated with. As of today there are at least two different projects offering GSM MS implementations (OsmocomBB and FreeCalypso) and at least two different projects offering network-side GSM implementations (Osmocom and OpenBTS), and I hope that this number of available alternatives will continue to grow: freedom of choice is always a good thing. But at the present time there exists no neutral soil on which members of different projects with a common interest (GSM networks and devices serving the interests of end users rather than big corporations and governments) and a common enemy (just named) can meet, and this lack of neutral meeting ground is the problem which GSMUA is meant to solve. I also have one practical application for GSMUA in mind already: to manage and legitimize recycling of wasted IMEI number ranges. By the official rules of GSMA etc each different *type* of GSM mobile equipment requires a different TAC, i.e., a range of at least 1 million IMEI numbers. So if a small boutique GSM device manufacturer makes a boutique MS device of which no more than 100 units will ever be made, 999900 IMEI numbers have to be wasted by the official rules. While I don't know of any manufacturer who got a range of 1 million IMEIs and only made 100 devices, we do have examples like Openmoko GTA01/02 and Pirelli DP-L10. In the case of Openmoko GTA02 I've been told that about 15 thousand units were made in total; in the case of Pirelli DP-L10 it appears that the total number produced was somewhere under 100 thousand. In each case a full range of 1 million IMEIs was allocated, and at least 900 thousand numbers out of each range are currently unused and wasted. If a small boutique manufacturer wishes to offer a boutique GSM MS product to the general public and wishes to ship each unit with a world-unique IMEI that stands a good chance of being accepted as valid by common GSM networks, and the product in question does not qualify for IMEI allocation by the official rules (e.g., the product is a development board specifically intended for users to run their own firmware and connect to live public networks with it, taking full personal responsibility for their actions) - the situation I found myself in with my GSM MS development board - I feel that the small boutique manuf in question should be empowered to squat on a small subrange of someone else's IMEI range if it is known beyond reasonable doubt to be wasted and unused. However, this recycling of wasted IMEI number ranges could be better organized and given at least some aura of semi-legitimacy if there were a community body set up to manage it, and this is where my proposed GSMUA can come in. Once we get our GSMUA up and running and assign a group of volunteers to be IMEI recycling managers, any small GSM or 3G+ device manufacturer who needs a small range of IMEI numbers will be able to request one from GSMUA, and we will allocate and assign these small subranges out of whatever wasted range we decide to squat on, ensuring that each requestor gets a different subrange. So these are my ideas, and I would like to see them turn into reality. We are going to need a simple website and a community mailing list at gsmua.org, and for the IMEI recycling service we will need a small group of volunteers to serve as its managers - I and Das Signal from FreeCalypso will be happy to serve on that panel, but it would be nice to also have someone from the Osmocom camp for better neutrality. Bright Blessings, Mychaela Falconia, Mother of FreeCalypso

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Mot C139 phones (was: Osmocombb with USRP)
by Mychaela Falconia 13 Jun '17

13 Jun '17

> > If you like, I would be glad to resell you some of the ebay-sourced > > C139 units in my stash > > yes i want . price Hmm, I haven't really given it a serious thought until now. I can do $50 USD per phone plus an extra $50 USD for my time to pack the phone(s) in a box, take the box to the Post Office and fill out their customs forms, i.e., $100 for one phone, $150 for 2 phones, $200 for 3 phones etc. I do need to reiterate though that all of these C139 phones are the North American version and can only receive 850 and 1900 MHz bands, *not* 900 or 1800 MHz, thus I don't see how they can be useful to you in India if your local GSM services are in the bands which these phones can't receive. M~

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Osmocombb with USRP
by Snehasish Kar 10 Jun '17

10 Jun '17

Hi I needed some information from you, I want to implement a GSM Mobile stack with USRP as RF Frontend. Is it possible to build the DSP part of osmocommbb in a different TI DSP board other than calypso. As it is very difficult to find calypso phones now a days. BR Snehasish

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Osmocombb as a Zombie
by Duarte 10 Jun '17

10 Jun '17

Hey guys, first of all I want to express my deep respect for this project, this is truly amazing project and very well developed. Second, I'm doing a few studies regarding GSM security (no, I'm not hacking.) and I need to develop a feature for osmocombb, which is: the ability to turn the L23 app as a zombie (C unix domain socket) waiting for instructions (e.g.: connect to the network with predefined parameters (IMSI), collect RAND, send sms,...). Is there any documentation or flow regarding the code? It's very hard for a non C coder to follow the flow... Or is there someone that can help me in the Architectural level? Thank you.

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Re: Osmocombb with USRP
by Vadim Yanitskiy 02 Jun '17

02 Jun '17

> your device, current supports both uplink and downlink rx Wrong. What do you mean by 'device'? I can only receive DL bursts for now. As soon as I integrate TDMA scheduler, it will be possible to decode raw bursts to L3 packets and forward them higher layers. > It can be further be connected to any standard L2/L3 > stack for further processing What do you mean by 'standard stack'? Some simple applications like ccch_scan already able to tune SDR to required ARFCN and to start burst detection. > Do you have some cfile What for? You can tune to any of surrounding carriers, and test the implementation against the real networks. Moreover you can use RTL-SDR while we don't have TX capabilities. P.S. Please sign in to the baseband-devel mailing lists and CC to baseband-devel(a)lists.osmocom.org because your messages aren't displayed there. With best regards, Vadim Yanitskiy.

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