It was my understanding from your suggestion that there would be presentations and discussions after those presentations at the meetings, making this not just having a beer with friends but more formal affairs.
That would be useful for people elsewhere to see, given that this is a global community. Not sure what German law has to do with putting online or streaming such presentations. Cameras off when it comes to the informal part and beer time..
Love this list otherwise. And will come to Berlin this summer so may attend one or two, regardless :)
Cheers from New York.
K
------Original Message------ From: Harald Welte To: Katrin Verclas Cc: Holger Hans Peter Freyther Cc: Akib Sayyed Cc: baseband-devel@lists.osmocom.org Cc: openbsc@lists.osmocom.org Subject: Recording / Re: Regular Osmocom meeting in Berlin? Sent: Mar 31, 2012 8:01 AM
Hi Katrin,
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 07:17:17PM +0000, Katrin Verclas wrote:
Could not disagree more. We live-stream local events all the time with a very unobtrusive webcam/ustream and it bothers no one who is there but benefits all who are not.
And I couldn't disagree more with you. The mere existance of the two words 'camera' and 'unobtrusive' in one sentence are a contradiction in terms.
If I want to meet with a small group of people and informally discuss technical topic, than that is _very_ different from being live streamed to an unknonwn number of people, any of which could make recordings and I would have to very carefully think about each and every word that I'm saying. That's not a particularly relaxed environment and would kill all the fun there is in having the meeting in the first place.
Legally, In Germany this corresponds to "not publicly spoken word" (nicht oeffentlich gesprochenes Wort). It is punishable under law to record or broadcast that. (Clause 201 of German criminal code).
Regards, Harald
Katrin,
My reply below:
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Katrin Verclas katrin@mobileactive.orgwrote:
It was my understanding from your suggestion that there would be presentations and discussions after those presentations at the meetings, making this not just having a beer with friends but more formal affairs.
That would be useful for people elsewhere to see, given that this is a global community. Not sure what German law has to do with putting online or streaming such presentations. Cameras off when it comes to the informal part and beer time..
I agree with Katrin!
Love this list otherwise. And will come to Berlin this summer so may attend one or two, regardless :)
Me Too! :-)
Cheers from New York.
Cheers from Chicago!
K
Sincerely,
Martin
------Original Message------ From: Harald Welte To: Katrin Verclas Cc: Holger Hans Peter Freyther Cc: Akib Sayyed Cc: baseband-devel@lists.osmocom.org Cc: openbsc@lists.osmocom.org Subject: Recording / Re: Regular Osmocom meeting in Berlin? Sent: Mar 31, 2012 8:01 AM
Hi Katrin,
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 07:17:17PM +0000, Katrin Verclas wrote:
Could not disagree more. We live-stream local events all the time with a very unobtrusive webcam/ustream and it bothers no one who is there but benefits all who are not.
And I couldn't disagree more with you. The mere existance of the two words 'camera' and 'unobtrusive' in one sentence are a contradiction in terms.
If I want to meet with a small group of people and informally discuss technical topic, than that is _very_ different from being live streamed to an unknonwn number of people, any of which could make recordings and I would have to very carefully think about each and every word that I'm saying. That's not a particularly relaxed environment and would kill all the fun there is in having the meeting in the first place.
Legally, In Germany this corresponds to "not publicly spoken word" (nicht oeffentlich gesprochenes Wort). It is punishable under law to record or broadcast that. (Clause 201 of German criminal code).
Regards, Harald --
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