On Thu, 4 Oct 2012, Peter Stuge wrote:
John Case wrote:
I was saying that pursuing calypso was a dead end.
I disagree.
There are still quite a few people in the world who can learn about low-level details of 2G cell phone networks, and that is valuable.
Ok, I'll qualify that ... I think that pursuing calypso as the only working component of osmocom, and to the exclusion of all else, is a dead end.
If Harold gets the open implementation of calypso up and running as a dev kit and we can all build imsi catchers with that, that's great - I will buy 10.
In term of making peoples lives better and giving people more security and freedom, there needs to be a 3G (or even LTE) platform.
I am repeating myself, but again: when was the last time a reference handset was in the hands of millions of people ? And had been produced as a showcase of running a free OS ? If these kids can break the PS3, one of these nexus platforms should be able to be cracked wide open.
I think your approach to stay with a non-cell phone device is admirable, but in practise it's not nearly as convenient and so it doesn't scale. It might be good enough for some, but in any case it can't really be called a cell phone.
I'm just looking for control and security in my mobile computer ... I see two different routes to get there:
1. Gain complete, end to end (BP + AP) control over some hardware platform (obviously preferable)
2. Just find a computer I like and add a USB modem to it (only thing currently workable)
So it's not what I want, and certainly not what I would push others toward - it's just the only option...