3 Oct
2012
3 Oct
'12
11:52 p.m.
TI or Qualcomm will not sell "you" their IP , no matter what . there is a very
complicated "legal" process behind these kinds of deals , specifically a
regulation process done outside the vendor , that is usually a government organization .
you would however be able to purchase protected DSP style working components and NDAed dox
with 6-figure deals .
there is a different type of business you can look into though , take a look at
Lyrtech's stuff for example . you can buy at least as good as HDL crystal clear IP
from them licensed and hassle free with support and dox and all , but they target
specially built systems , usually huge expensive SDRs .
the alleged TI's leaks , mo matter what the circumstance , are not to my experiences
of much practical importance . if you got the engineering resources and enough money to
put such stuff into use , you may as well code it all from scratch , since most specs are
already public . the Patents usually prevent people from certifying , therefore , prevent
selling big time for serious profit and limiting the market . its not like they are
Nuclear missile code secrets . difference between engineering and reverse engineering in
Software ecosystem and Telecom ecosystem is exactly in the time/resource/profit
formulation . kids code a virus or crack a code over a couple of nights using ollydbg ,
although they need to learn a lot of math and electric shit before doing baseband scale
maneuver . they almost never do , or Apple offer them Jobs ;)
M.
On چهارشنبه, مهر ۱۲, ۱۳۹۱ at ۲۱:۲۲, John Case wrote:
Paul,
On Mon, 1 Oct 2012, Paul Wise wrote:
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:22 PM, Sylvain Munaut
wrote:
k
I am looking at the list of devices covered by this xda-dev posting - most
interesting is the Samsung Galaxy Nexus - again, this is a reference
handset, something that in the past was in the hands of developers only,
but now many people around the world are using.
So that's very interesting, which was the point of my OP - the google
nexus phones represent a particularly ripe avenue for osmocom since they
are reference handsets, and presumably the "warez" that you need are in
many more hands than previous chipset docs and code. Perhaps there is a
flaw in my assumption ?
The bad news is that the list of devices from the xda-dev posting does NOT
include the Galaxy S II GT-i9100, which was mentioned earlier in this
thread.
I wonder:
- how did the calypso docs leak in the first place ? Was it indeed a real
breach of intellectual property, or did they just get published by TI
since they were uninteresting in some way ? How nefarious is the story
there ?
- What would it actually cost to get the documentation and code needed for
either of these two items we are discussing above ? If I go to Qualcomm
and sign up as a developer (under a corp name, etc.) .... is it $10k ?
$100k ? Or are the docs you need not available at any price ?
I would like to think that the "warez" needed for one of these targets are
so widely distributed (because of the android ecosystem and the aggressive
push there) that simply putting out a loud and wide "call for leaks" would
yield some results... But, do you have links to the datasheet,
programmers manual and source
code of the baseband ?
We were discussing this on IRC and Peter pointed out this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1483053