Hi Jean-Samuel,
Could you share the prices you get for UmTRX from your fab for this batch of prototypes and for the next batches? We have to understand the cost price to see what could we offer to customers.
Hi Alexander,
Total cost for production is approximately 10000 Euros for 20 units, including about 1000 Euros Non Recuring Costs. Approximate unit cost for sample batches (6 and 14 units each) is a bit bellow 500 Euros.
If we do not need to change the PCB, unit cost will be around 440 Euros for 20 units batches.
If we make 50 or 100 units batches, cost could be a bit lower but not that much.
We could expect to save on the TCD-4029-26.0M. Today, we pay it about 15 Euros because of our low volume. For 50 or 100 units, we could buy this part directly from Pletronics and save about 5 or 6 Euros per unit.
We could also save on the PCB. For 20 units, cost is 32 Euros but we could expect to save 5 to 10 Euros on it.
On all other components, we could expect something like about 10 to 15 Euros extra savings.
For 50 units batches instead of 20 units, we could also save about 4 Euros per board on the cost the fab charges for loading the assembly machines.
For 50 units batches, we could achieve a unit production cost at 500 USD.
Anyway, please find enclosed a few details about our production costs. You can see fab costs are quite reasonable expecially for our low and medium volumes. This cost structure is really convenient to make our samples and gradually ramp up our production volumes. In case we reach much higher volumes in the future, I am quite confident we could bargain a bit more the fab costs and certainly also save a bit more on the components sourcing costs. Except for the low cost femtocells market, I really believe this cost structure will allow you to compete on the market in good conditions.
You would need to add the cost of the enclosure, the PSU, the diversity and selectivity RF daughter board we need to pass the spec and the CPU mother board we need to run the Transceiver and OpenBTS. You should expect a total cost around 800 USD excluding the frontend (PA+LNA+duplexers).
For your information, the dual TRX outdoor enclosure frontend with 10 Watts PA I can get from my Chinese supplier costs 810 USD + shipping.
Please do not hesitate to contact me if you need any extra figures or information.
Best regards.
Jean-Samuel. :-)
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Alexander Chemeris < alexander.chemeris@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Jean-Samuel,
Could you share the prices you get for UmTRX from your fab for this batch of prototypes and for the next batches? We have to understand the cost price to see what could we offer to customers.
-- Regards, Alexander Chemeris. CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ООО УмРадио http://fairwaves.ru
Hi Jean-Samuel,
This is very good news! It means we've met the target cost price and we haven't compromised functionality.
Could you ask the fab how much would it cost to put the board into an enclosure like this, including the front panel and the rear panel drilling and engraving? http://www.fischerelektronik.de/web_fischer/en_GB/cases/M1.07/Miniature%20al...
The idea is to sell it to general public in small quantities for in-lab use.
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Jean-Samuel Najnudel - BJT PARTNERS SARL jsn@bjtpartners.com wrote:
Hi Alexander,
Total cost for production is approximately 10000 Euros for 20 units, including about 1000 Euros Non Recuring Costs. Approximate unit cost for sample batches (6 and 14 units each) is a bit bellow 500 Euros.
If we do not need to change the PCB, unit cost will be around 440 Euros for 20 units batches.
If we make 50 or 100 units batches, cost could be a bit lower but not that much.
We could expect to save on the TCD-4029-26.0M. Today, we pay it about 15 Euros because of our low volume. For 50 or 100 units, we could buy this part directly from Pletronics and save about 5 or 6 Euros per unit.
We could also save on the PCB. For 20 units, cost is 32 Euros but we could expect to save 5 to 10 Euros on it.
On all other components, we could expect something like about 10 to 15 Euros extra savings.
For 50 units batches instead of 20 units, we could also save about 4 Euros per board on the cost the fab charges for loading the assembly machines.
For 50 units batches, we could achieve a unit production cost at 500 USD.
Anyway, please find enclosed a few details about our production costs. You can see fab costs are quite reasonable expecially for our low and medium volumes. This cost structure is really convenient to make our samples and gradually ramp up our production volumes. In case we reach much higher volumes in the future, I am quite confident we could bargain a bit more the fab costs and certainly also save a bit more on the components sourcing costs. Except for the low cost femtocells market, I really believe this cost structure will allow you to compete on the market in good conditions.
You would need to add the cost of the enclosure, the PSU, the diversity and selectivity RF daughter board we need to pass the spec and the CPU mother board we need to run the Transceiver and OpenBTS. You should expect a total cost around 800 USD excluding the frontend (PA+LNA+duplexers).
For your information, the dual TRX outdoor enclosure frontend with 10 Watts PA I can get from my Chinese supplier costs 810 USD + shipping.
Please do not hesitate to contact me if you need any extra figures or information.
Best regards.
Jean-Samuel. :-)
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Alexander Chemeris alexander.chemeris@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Jean-Samuel,
Could you share the prices you get for UmTRX from your fab for this batch of prototypes and for the next batches? We have to understand the cost price to see what could we offer to customers.
-- Regards, Alexander Chemeris. CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ООО УмРадио http://fairwaves.ru
Hi Alexander,
Yes, this is a very good news. Except for selectivity, the UmTRX performances and features are great and you still have a reasonable cost structure.
Regarding the enclosure, I think the fab can do this. However, they would need to know the exact drawing of all the connectors. They really need precise details before they accept to send me a quote.
Moreover, most of the volume order will need outdoor enclosure including the UmTRX, the diversity and selectivity daughter board and the CPU board. UmTRX only in an enclosure will be only interesting for some lab applications (excluding people who are ok with the board without any enclosure). This would make the volume quite low and I am afraid low volume would mean quite high price. For the board itself, the fab makes some efforts on the price because they expect reasonably larger volumes but for this enclosure for lab applications only, they will probably be quite expensive.
If you are still interested in this enclosure assembly, please send me the exact drawing and I will ask them for a quote.
By the way, I will be on holidays on next week. I may take some time to reply to your e-mails. Sorry about this.
Best regards.
Jean-Samuel. :-)
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Alexander Chemeris < alexander.chemeris@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Jean-Samuel,
This is very good news! It means we've met the target cost price and we haven't compromised functionality.
Could you ask the fab how much would it cost to put the board into an enclosure like this, including the front panel and the rear panel drilling and engraving?
http://www.fischerelektronik.de/web_fischer/en_GB/cases/M1.07/Miniature%20al...
The idea is to sell it to general public in small quantities for in-lab use.
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Jean-Samuel Najnudel - BJT PARTNERS SARL jsn@bjtpartners.com wrote:
Hi Alexander,
Total cost for production is approximately 10000 Euros for 20 units, including about 1000 Euros Non Recuring Costs. Approximate unit cost for sample batches (6 and 14 units each) is a bit bellow 500 Euros.
If we do not need to change the PCB, unit cost will be around 440 Euros
for
20 units batches.
If we make 50 or 100 units batches, cost could be a bit lower but not
that
much.
We could expect to save on the TCD-4029-26.0M. Today, we pay it about 15 Euros because of our low volume. For 50 or 100 units, we could buy this
part
directly from Pletronics and save about 5 or 6 Euros per unit.
We could also save on the PCB. For 20 units, cost is 32 Euros but we
could
expect to save 5 to 10 Euros on it.
On all other components, we could expect something like about 10 to 15
Euros
extra savings.
For 50 units batches instead of 20 units, we could also save about 4
Euros
per board on the cost the fab charges for loading the assembly machines.
For 50 units batches, we could achieve a unit production cost at 500 USD.
Anyway, please find enclosed a few details about our production costs.
You
can see fab costs are quite reasonable expecially for our low and medium volumes. This cost structure is really convenient to make our samples and gradually ramp up our production volumes. In case we reach much higher volumes in the future, I am quite confident we could bargain a bit more
the
fab costs and certainly also save a bit more on the components sourcing costs. Except for the low cost femtocells market, I really believe this
cost
structure will allow you to compete on the market in good conditions.
You would need to add the cost of the enclosure, the PSU, the diversity
and
selectivity RF daughter board we need to pass the spec and the CPU mother board we need to run the Transceiver and OpenBTS. You should expect a
total
cost around 800 USD excluding the frontend (PA+LNA+duplexers).
For your information, the dual TRX outdoor enclosure frontend with 10
Watts
PA I can get from my Chinese supplier costs 810 USD + shipping.
Please do not hesitate to contact me if you need any extra figures or information.
Best regards.
Jean-Samuel. :-)
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Alexander Chemeris alexander.chemeris@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Jean-Samuel,
Could you share the prices you get for UmTRX from your fab for this batch of prototypes and for the next batches? We have to understand the cost price to see what could we offer to customers.
-- Regards, Alexander Chemeris. CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ООО УмРадио http://fairwaves.ru
-- Regards, Alexander Chemeris. CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ООО УмРадио http://fairwaves.ru
Jean-Samuel,
Ok, we'll prepare drawings for the enclosure. But my assumption was that the biggest part of the cost would be handling, as it's a manual operation and prices in Europe for this are insane.
I hope you have a good vacation! We'll try to mail you as little as possible :)
Before you leave - could you update us whether the original estimation for this batch of UmTRX production is correct, i.e. we'll get prototypes at the first week of Aug?
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Jean-Samuel Najnudel - BJT PARTNERS SARL jsn@bjtpartners.com wrote:
Hi Alexander,
Yes, this is a very good news. Except for selectivity, the UmTRX performances and features are great and you still have a reasonable cost structure.
Regarding the enclosure, I think the fab can do this. However, they would need to know the exact drawing of all the connectors. They really need precise details before they accept to send me a quote.
Moreover, most of the volume order will need outdoor enclosure including the UmTRX, the diversity and selectivity daughter board and the CPU board. UmTRX only in an enclosure will be only interesting for some lab applications (excluding people who are ok with the board without any enclosure). This would make the volume quite low and I am afraid low volume would mean quite high price. For the board itself, the fab makes some efforts on the price because they expect reasonably larger volumes but for this enclosure for lab applications only, they will probably be quite expensive.
If you are still interested in this enclosure assembly, please send me the exact drawing and I will ask them for a quote.
By the way, I will be on holidays on next week. I may take some time to reply to your e-mails. Sorry about this.
Best regards.
Jean-Samuel. :-)
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Alexander Chemeris alexander.chemeris@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Jean-Samuel,
This is very good news! It means we've met the target cost price and we haven't compromised functionality.
Could you ask the fab how much would it cost to put the board into an enclosure like this, including the front panel and the rear panel drilling and engraving?
http://www.fischerelektronik.de/web_fischer/en_GB/cases/M1.07/Miniature%20al...
The idea is to sell it to general public in small quantities for in-lab use.
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Jean-Samuel Najnudel - BJT PARTNERS SARL jsn@bjtpartners.com wrote:
Hi Alexander,
Total cost for production is approximately 10000 Euros for 20 units, including about 1000 Euros Non Recuring Costs. Approximate unit cost for sample batches (6 and 14 units each) is a bit bellow 500 Euros.
If we do not need to change the PCB, unit cost will be around 440 Euros for 20 units batches.
If we make 50 or 100 units batches, cost could be a bit lower but not that much.
We could expect to save on the TCD-4029-26.0M. Today, we pay it about 15 Euros because of our low volume. For 50 or 100 units, we could buy this part directly from Pletronics and save about 5 or 6 Euros per unit.
We could also save on the PCB. For 20 units, cost is 32 Euros but we could expect to save 5 to 10 Euros on it.
On all other components, we could expect something like about 10 to 15 Euros extra savings.
For 50 units batches instead of 20 units, we could also save about 4 Euros per board on the cost the fab charges for loading the assembly machines.
For 50 units batches, we could achieve a unit production cost at 500 USD.
Anyway, please find enclosed a few details about our production costs. You can see fab costs are quite reasonable expecially for our low and medium volumes. This cost structure is really convenient to make our samples and gradually ramp up our production volumes. In case we reach much higher volumes in the future, I am quite confident we could bargain a bit more the fab costs and certainly also save a bit more on the components sourcing costs. Except for the low cost femtocells market, I really believe this cost structure will allow you to compete on the market in good conditions.
You would need to add the cost of the enclosure, the PSU, the diversity and selectivity RF daughter board we need to pass the spec and the CPU mother board we need to run the Transceiver and OpenBTS. You should expect a total cost around 800 USD excluding the frontend (PA+LNA+duplexers).
For your information, the dual TRX outdoor enclosure frontend with 10 Watts PA I can get from my Chinese supplier costs 810 USD + shipping.
Please do not hesitate to contact me if you need any extra figures or information.
Best regards.
Jean-Samuel. :-)
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Alexander Chemeris alexander.chemeris@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Jean-Samuel,
Could you share the prices you get for UmTRX from your fab for this batch of prototypes and for the next batches? We have to understand the cost price to see what could we offer to customers.
-- Regards, Alexander Chemeris. CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ООО УмРадио http://fairwaves.ru
-- Regards, Alexander Chemeris. CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ООО УмРадио http://fairwaves.ru
Hi Alexander,
Yes, all the manual handling operations we would need is also what makes me feel a bit afraid of the cost too. In France, including all the costs they need to pay for, a fab would charge manual operations around 30 Euros per hour.
Regarding the UmTRX samples production schedule, I do not think this will be ready at the beginning of August. We should expect to get the boards in mid-August. Sorry for the delay. Actually, everything is slower in France from around July 14th to August 15th. I am really sorry about that. Next batches will be faster.
Best regards.
Jean-Samuel. :-)
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Alexander Chemeris < alexander.chemeris@gmail.com> wrote:
Jean-Samuel,
Ok, we'll prepare drawings for the enclosure. But my assumption was that the biggest part of the cost would be handling, as it's a manual operation and prices in Europe for this are insane.
I hope you have a good vacation! We'll try to mail you as little as possible :)
Before you leave - could you update us whether the original estimation for this batch of UmTRX production is correct, i.e. we'll get prototypes at the first week of Aug?
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Jean-Samuel Najnudel - BJT PARTNERS SARL jsn@bjtpartners.com wrote:
Hi Alexander,
Yes, this is a very good news. Except for selectivity, the UmTRX performances and features are great and you still have a reasonable cost structure.
Regarding the enclosure, I think the fab can do this. However, they would need to know the exact drawing of all the connectors. They really need precise details before they accept to send me a quote.
Moreover, most of the volume order will need outdoor enclosure including
the
UmTRX, the diversity and selectivity daughter board and the CPU board. UmTRX only in an enclosure will be only interesting for some lab applications (excluding people who are ok with the board without any enclosure). This would make the volume quite low and I am afraid low
volume
would mean quite high price. For the board itself, the fab makes some efforts on the price because they expect reasonably larger volumes but
for
this enclosure for lab applications only, they will probably be quite expensive.
If you are still interested in this enclosure assembly, please send me
the
exact drawing and I will ask them for a quote.
By the way, I will be on holidays on next week. I may take some time to reply to your e-mails. Sorry about this.
Best regards.
Jean-Samuel. :-)
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Alexander Chemeris alexander.chemeris@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Jean-Samuel,
This is very good news! It means we've met the target cost price and we haven't compromised functionality.
Could you ask the fab how much would it cost to put the board into an enclosure like this, including the front panel and the rear panel drilling and engraving?
http://www.fischerelektronik.de/web_fischer/en_GB/cases/M1.07/Miniature%20al...
The idea is to sell it to general public in small quantities for in-lab use.
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Jean-Samuel Najnudel - BJT PARTNERS SARL jsn@bjtpartners.com wrote:
Hi Alexander,
Total cost for production is approximately 10000 Euros for 20 units, including about 1000 Euros Non Recuring Costs. Approximate unit cost
for
sample batches (6 and 14 units each) is a bit bellow 500 Euros.
If we do not need to change the PCB, unit cost will be around 440
Euros
for 20 units batches.
If we make 50 or 100 units batches, cost could be a bit lower but not that much.
We could expect to save on the TCD-4029-26.0M. Today, we pay it about
15
Euros because of our low volume. For 50 or 100 units, we could buy
this
part directly from Pletronics and save about 5 or 6 Euros per unit.
We could also save on the PCB. For 20 units, cost is 32 Euros but we could expect to save 5 to 10 Euros on it.
On all other components, we could expect something like about 10 to 15 Euros extra savings.
For 50 units batches instead of 20 units, we could also save about 4 Euros per board on the cost the fab charges for loading the assembly
machines.
For 50 units batches, we could achieve a unit production cost at 500 USD.
Anyway, please find enclosed a few details about our production costs. You can see fab costs are quite reasonable expecially for our low and
medium
volumes. This cost structure is really convenient to make our samples and gradually ramp up our production volumes. In case we reach much higher volumes in the future, I am quite confident we could bargain a bit
more
the fab costs and certainly also save a bit more on the components
sourcing
costs. Except for the low cost femtocells market, I really believe
this
cost structure will allow you to compete on the market in good conditions.
You would need to add the cost of the enclosure, the PSU, the
diversity
and selectivity RF daughter board we need to pass the spec and the CPU mother board we need to run the Transceiver and OpenBTS. You should expect a total cost around 800 USD excluding the frontend (PA+LNA+duplexers).
For your information, the dual TRX outdoor enclosure frontend with 10 Watts PA I can get from my Chinese supplier costs 810 USD + shipping.
Please do not hesitate to contact me if you need any extra figures or information.
Best regards.
Jean-Samuel. :-)
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Alexander Chemeris alexander.chemeris@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Jean-Samuel,
Could you share the prices you get for UmTRX from your fab for this batch of prototypes and for the next batches? We have to understand the cost price to see what could we offer to customers.
-- Regards, Alexander Chemeris. CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ООО УмРадио http://fairwaves.ru
-- Regards, Alexander Chemeris. CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ООО УмРадио http://fairwaves.ru
-- Regards, Alexander Chemeris. CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ООО УмРадио http://fairwaves.ru
Ok, thank you for the update.
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Jean-Samuel Najnudel - BJT PARTNERS SARL jsn@bjtpartners.com wrote:
Hi Alexander,
Yes, all the manual handling operations we would need is also what makes me feel a bit afraid of the cost too. In France, including all the costs they need to pay for, a fab would charge manual operations around 30 Euros per hour.
Regarding the UmTRX samples production schedule, I do not think this will be ready at the beginning of August. We should expect to get the boards in mid-August. Sorry for the delay. Actually, everything is slower in France from around July 14th to August 15th. I am really sorry about that. Next batches will be faster.
Best regards.
Jean-Samuel. :-)
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Alexander Chemeris alexander.chemeris@gmail.com wrote:
Jean-Samuel,
Ok, we'll prepare drawings for the enclosure. But my assumption was that the biggest part of the cost would be handling, as it's a manual operation and prices in Europe for this are insane.
I hope you have a good vacation! We'll try to mail you as little as possible :)
Before you leave - could you update us whether the original estimation for this batch of UmTRX production is correct, i.e. we'll get prototypes at the first week of Aug?
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Jean-Samuel Najnudel - BJT PARTNERS SARL jsn@bjtpartners.com wrote:
Hi Alexander,
Yes, this is a very good news. Except for selectivity, the UmTRX performances and features are great and you still have a reasonable cost structure.
Regarding the enclosure, I think the fab can do this. However, they would need to know the exact drawing of all the connectors. They really need precise details before they accept to send me a quote.
Moreover, most of the volume order will need outdoor enclosure including the UmTRX, the diversity and selectivity daughter board and the CPU board. UmTRX only in an enclosure will be only interesting for some lab applications (excluding people who are ok with the board without any enclosure). This would make the volume quite low and I am afraid low volume would mean quite high price. For the board itself, the fab makes some efforts on the price because they expect reasonably larger volumes but for this enclosure for lab applications only, they will probably be quite expensive.
If you are still interested in this enclosure assembly, please send me the exact drawing and I will ask them for a quote.
By the way, I will be on holidays on next week. I may take some time to reply to your e-mails. Sorry about this.
Best regards.
Jean-Samuel. :-)
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Alexander Chemeris alexander.chemeris@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Jean-Samuel,
This is very good news! It means we've met the target cost price and we haven't compromised functionality.
Could you ask the fab how much would it cost to put the board into an enclosure like this, including the front panel and the rear panel drilling and engraving?
http://www.fischerelektronik.de/web_fischer/en_GB/cases/M1.07/Miniature%20al...
The idea is to sell it to general public in small quantities for in-lab use.
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Jean-Samuel Najnudel - BJT PARTNERS SARL jsn@bjtpartners.com wrote:
Hi Alexander,
Total cost for production is approximately 10000 Euros for 20 units, including about 1000 Euros Non Recuring Costs. Approximate unit cost for sample batches (6 and 14 units each) is a bit bellow 500 Euros.
If we do not need to change the PCB, unit cost will be around 440 Euros for 20 units batches.
If we make 50 or 100 units batches, cost could be a bit lower but not that much.
We could expect to save on the TCD-4029-26.0M. Today, we pay it about 15 Euros because of our low volume. For 50 or 100 units, we could buy this part directly from Pletronics and save about 5 or 6 Euros per unit.
We could also save on the PCB. For 20 units, cost is 32 Euros but we could expect to save 5 to 10 Euros on it.
On all other components, we could expect something like about 10 to 15 Euros extra savings.
For 50 units batches instead of 20 units, we could also save about 4 Euros per board on the cost the fab charges for loading the assembly machines.
For 50 units batches, we could achieve a unit production cost at 500 USD.
Anyway, please find enclosed a few details about our production costs. You can see fab costs are quite reasonable expecially for our low and medium volumes. This cost structure is really convenient to make our samples and gradually ramp up our production volumes. In case we reach much higher volumes in the future, I am quite confident we could bargain a bit more the fab costs and certainly also save a bit more on the components sourcing costs. Except for the low cost femtocells market, I really believe this cost structure will allow you to compete on the market in good conditions.
You would need to add the cost of the enclosure, the PSU, the diversity and selectivity RF daughter board we need to pass the spec and the CPU mother board we need to run the Transceiver and OpenBTS. You should expect a total cost around 800 USD excluding the frontend (PA+LNA+duplexers).
For your information, the dual TRX outdoor enclosure frontend with 10 Watts PA I can get from my Chinese supplier costs 810 USD + shipping.
Please do not hesitate to contact me if you need any extra figures or information.
Best regards.
Jean-Samuel. :-)
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Alexander Chemeris alexander.chemeris@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Jean-Samuel,
Could you share the prices you get for UmTRX from your fab for this batch of prototypes and for the next batches? We have to understand the cost price to see what could we offer to customers.
-- Regards, Alexander Chemeris. CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ООО УмРадио http://fairwaves.ru
-- Regards, Alexander Chemeris. CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ООО УмРадио http://fairwaves.ru
-- Regards, Alexander Chemeris. CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ООО УмРадио http://fairwaves.ru
-
Alexander Chemeris -
Jean-Samuel Najnudel - BJT PARTNERS SARL