Re: Introducing SIMtrace3 aka SIMtrace-ice

Dear Mychaela, On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 11:02:49AM -0800, Mychaela Falconia wrote: it is great that you are working on a SIM card protocol tracer, and that you share your updates here. However, I would like to ask you to stop using the name "SIMtrace3". This will lead to a lot of confusion among users, as it is not the designated/ official successor [it might be a candidate, but that is something that all parties agree to] to the SIMtrace + SIMtrace2 project that Kevin and I started more than a decade ago. It is a matter of respect for other peoples' work. Let me put it the other way around: Wouldn't you also feel weird if we suddenly started a "FreeCalypso2" project? Or a "Osmocom FCDEV4B board" or the like? Maybe you wouldn't mind, and that's fine. But its something the existing user of the respective name has to be asked about, and nothing the new user of the name can determine unilaterally. So in the sake of having clear project names avoiding confusion among users or software package maintainers at distributions, ...: Please stop at the very least using the "SIMtrace plus a number" naming scheme, or consider to stop using the SIMtrace name altogether. UICCtrace? CardTrace? ChipCardTrace? ISO7816Trace? There are many reasonable names that are not used yet, AFAICT. I am in no way implying that there I, the Osmocom project or sysmocom have a legal right to prevent anyone from using the SIMtrace name. It is not a registered trade mark. However, as stated above, I would say the re-use of an existing name with a different [version] number does not fall into the general consensus of how FOSS projects or the wider hacker community treat each other. It might be a real-world implementation of a SIM card protocol tracer, but that doesn't make it "SIMtrace3" with a name implying it is the designated successor of the existing SIMtrace vresions. Yesterday others approached me confused about why you had added something about a SIMtrace3 talk to osmocom redmine, when there was no decision as to what the Version 3 of SIMtrace actually should look like. Hence I desided to rename the title in the redmine to "proposal" as I perceive it as a hardware project that you wanted to propose to become SIMtrace3. It wouldn't have crosesd my mind that anyone would simply claim it is SIMtrace3 unilaterally, and then "inform" Osmocom about that without any prior discussion. Thanks, Harald -- - Harald Welte <laforge(a)osmocom.org> https://laforge.gnumonks.org/ ============================================================================ "Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option." (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)