Hi Mychaela,
On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 12:42:07AM -0800, Mychaela Falconia wrote:
Let me put it
the other way around: Wouldn't you also feel weird if we
suddenly started a "FreeCalypso2" project?
Poor analogy: FC is a family of loosely related projects like Osmocom
(see footnote), not a single specific project like SIMtrace. I am not
claiming an "Osmocom2" project, am I?
The point is that there is a well-established name/"Brand" that's around
for 13 years now, and that it is always bad to try to reuse that brand
for something else without coordination/agreement. Whether that's a "project
brand"
or a "product" brand" or whatevery you want to call it. But yes, I was
trying hard (without spending time) to make an analogy.
Would it be OK with you if I call my project
FreeCalypso SIMsniff in
formal naming contexts and simply SIMsniff in casual conversation with
Vintage Mobile Phone community members wondering why phone model ABC
mysteriously refuses to accept SIM card model XYZ? In formal naming
contexts the full names of the two projects would be Osmocom SIMtrace
vs FreeCalypso SIMsniff - it should be obvious that they are distinct,
[...]
Please confirm if my rename proposal is acceptable to you or not -
Thank you for your offer to compromise and rename. It is none of my
business to interfere with how you call your
projects/products/software/hardware, just as long as there is no clash
or overlap or easy misunderstanding with any of my/our projects.
FreeCalypso SIMsniff IMHO has no resemblence to Osmocom SIMtrace or any
other project I'm involved in, and hence it is completely up to you.
For what it's worth: I personally do like the new proposed name.
renames are obviously disruptive, hence I will only
make the rename
once the new name is approved by all parties.
Yes, I fully understand the fall-out of name changes. Thanks again for
considering our input here (as stated, it's not just me but several
others had reached out privately).
Please also note that my alternative SIM-ME protocol
tracer project
reuses existing SIMtrace FPC cables, [...]
That is of course completely fine. It has no implication on product naming
Anyone can use those designs and or the actual FPC cables. Please also note
that we inherited that FPC connector and the principle of those adapter
cables from RebelSIM.
the ones which you already offer
separately in your webshop - and one could regard these physical SIM
socket FPC adapters as the most important part of SIMtrace...
FYI: I personally would consider the pySim-trace.py as the most useful part
of SIMtrace (if one wants to count it as part of it).
Footnote: FreeCalypso began life in 2013 as an
off-shoot of then-existing
free-falling remains of Openmoko community, and it is my understanding
that Osmocom is somewhat of a genealogical derivative of Openmoko too,
at least in terms of key people involved. By this logic, Osmocom and
FreeCalypso should be seen as siblings, with Osmocom as the big brother
and FC as the little sister.
I see the relation between Openmoko and FreeCalypso. I don't really see
it all that much regarding Osmocom. We started on the first projects
that later became (and still are) the foundation of Osmocom (bs11_hack,
openbsc, later osmocom CNI) 2 years before we started to work on
OsmocomBB and hence anything calypso related. But honestly, I don't
care too much about such prescribed relationship analogies.
Let's get the naming resolved and talk about technology again. I guess
we can all agree on that!
--
- Harald Welte <laforge(a)gnumonks.org>
https://laforge.gnumonks.org/
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