Hi everyone,
first of: from the choices presented, singularity sounds best. I don't know whether I'd even have the privilege to join that, tbh.
Mainly:
Considering I've been benefiting from spatial vicinity to osmocom very much last camp, I feel like I should be contributing here.
So let me offer the following:
I can see how it's desirable to have someone deliver, build and remove a robust tent, if one's simply restricted in the amount of time and transport one can contribute.
I could be coming in on the 20th arriving earliest at ca 17:00 from Karlsruhe driving (I think) a rented Berlingo or similar.
Honestly, if that doesn't feel too sketchy, I could pick up a couple of standard pavillon things [1] on the way, and bring enough rope, zip ties, and tape to make that work in all but the harshest weather. That'd cost 5€/m² of "roofed area". Rough estimate: 6 seats per pavillon, if we put tabling in the middle, i.e. single-digit euros in tent costs pP. I'd probably go for three pavillons in total.
The real problem I'd see is table space, and seating. We could go for pasting tables (hopefully, this is how you'd translate /Tapeziertische/)[2]. That'd amount to ca 17€/m, and I'd assume about a meter would be a good amount of personal freedom. I considered that particular table due to the fact that it's not having annoying diagonal beams to support it from below.
Seating is a bit problematic: the camping chair is a bit too comfortable (yes, that's possible) to work at desk height. I honestly have no idea how to address that; any car that I could reasonably rent to drive ~1500km wouldn't have space for beer tent benches, and I don't know how desirable it is to pack and bring standard chairs. What I can offer is to take orders for IKEA Gunde (6€, [3]), which are notoriously not insanely annoying to carry.
Maybe we could rent tables and chairs locally, but I'd assume they'd require us to provide safe/clean flooring if we want to do that. Also, at this point, one simply can't (or even know the prices of doing so).
One thing, though: I don't want to produce a couple of tables, a few pavillons, and folding chairs in waste. So, we'd ideally come up with a plan for what to do with the gathered infra after camp. That could involve storing some at my or someone else's place, communal space or donating it to someone who can put it to sensible use.
So, worst case common cost calculation:
Item | Cost | Count | Total ------------------+------+-------+------ Pavillon 9m² | 35 | 3 | 105 Table 3m | 50 | 4(?)| 200 Tarp & Tape | 50 | 1 | 50 ------------------+------+-------+------ SUM 355
Seating would be per buttocks. So, let's say, 15 people (I have no idea how many would want to participate), that'd make p.P.
Item | Cost | Count | Total ------------------+------+-------+------ IKEA Gunde | 6 | 1 | 6 Partial infrastr. | 355 | 1/15 | 24 ------------------+------+-------+------ SUM 30
As you can guess, I think the interesting part here is less the fact that we'd be saving a bit of money, it's that it takes Harald's (and other's) minds of getting a dry place to work, by making me (and maybe Jan, haven't asked him) do the shopping, money handling, most of the setup (obviously, nobody minds help with that), whilst still maintaining a lot of freedom.
Hope this helps anyone.
Best regards, Marcus
[1] e.g. https://www.hornbach.de/shop/Pavillon-Mana-3x3x2-5-m-Polyester-110-g-m/62327... [2] e.g. https://www.hornbach.de/shop/Multifunktionstisch-3tlg-300-x-60-cm-hoehenvers... [3] https://www.ikea.com/de/de/p/gunde-klappstuhl-weiss-60217799/
On Sat, 2019-06-22 at 10:51 +0200, Harald Welte wrote:
Dear all,
Further updates:
On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 07:01:09PM +0200, Harald Welte wrote:
On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 06:54:04PM +0200, Harald Welte wrote:
pricing. The smallest possible tent (6m x 3m) would cost 825 EUR. I'm not sure we want to raise that amount of money? Even if we'd be 10 people sharing it, its still 82.50 EUR per person. And that excludes any tables/chairs.
FYI, the 825 EUR 6m x 3m tent would be:
- Height: 2.30m, PVC curtains, cassette floor.
- Price includes buildup and teardown.
- As we need to check every order with our contractor for
availability, please allow for up to 10 days for a confirmation of your order.
- I received an alternative quote for tent rental for significantly
less but still quite pricey: EUR 574 (250 for the tent, 144 for optional wooden floor, 180 for delivery, build-up, tear-down and removal).
- I was in touch with Jan from stratum0, which is the hackerspace
organizing the "singularity city". There are various (german) details available at https://singularitycity.de/ and https://singularitycity.de/kosten.html. They will organize a large 8x12m tent, plus kitchen tent, plus another one for workshops, refrigeration for drinks, breakfast buffet, power distribution, lighting, ...
There would be a EUR 75 fee per Person, which I think is rather fair considering the other options, where renting a tent alone would get us into the same order of magnitude.
In any case, what I need *now* is feedback from those people actually attending
Do you prefer
- an "Osmocom village" without infrastructure such as a shared large
"hack tent", or
- an "Osmocom village" with a rented tent, and you are willing to
contribute up to EUR XXX, or
- an "Osmocom village" part of "Singularity city", which means you'd
have to contribute EUR 75 for the singularity city tax.
Please provide your feedback no later than June 23rd, 23:59 CEST. I will be making arrangements (or no arrangements) on June 24th, before leaving on holidays.
Regards, Harald
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