Hi Jean-Samuel.
First of all you're right, we can't delay production.
So, I am sure it is better if PCB production will continue as you suggest.
There are only three hardware issues which have to be solved before
assembling:
1) Improving LMS phase noise.
It is almost done and Alexander wrote you which component need to order.
2) Digital noise which born in GPS module 230.
In ver.2 we will use GPS module 570, but I am afraid that we can get the
same problems.
So, I need 1-2 days to workaround this issue.
And also we have to understand either it important or it doesn't because
this noises hided under modulation.
3) LMS engineers suggested us to use PLL loop filter 100kHz instead 50kHz.
In case of 100kHz we have to decrease charge-pump current from 1.2-1.9mA
down to 0.4mA, but I am afraid about integral phase noise of LO because
(possible) it can affect modulation phase error (in degrees).
I think, required 1-2 days (the same days) to understand this also.
So, at Thirsday I will send you final BOM and assembly files.
Hope it doesn't delay production, otherwise tell me and we'll hurry up.
Best regards,
Andrey Sviyazov.
2012/7/24 Alexander Chemeris <alexander.chemeris(a)gmail.com>
Hi Jean-Samuel,
We're sitting together with Andrey Sviyazov now and he says that it's
fine to continue with this PCB.
You will need 40pcs of this 0 Ohm jumpers (2pcs per board):
http://fr.farnell.com/bourns/cr0603-j-000elf/resistor-0603-0r-5-0-1w/dp/200…
Andrey will update the schematics and BoM later today.
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Jean-Samuel Najnudel - BJT PARTNERS
SARL <jsn(a)bjtpartners.com> wrote:
Hi Andrey,
PCB copper is ready yet. We will lose 560 Euros and 3 weeks delay if we
change the copper. It is not impossible, we can decide to do that but I
would suggest we change the PCB for the next batch. After testing the
v2
board, you may found more changes we need on the
copper.
The board itself is not ready. We can change some passives. This will
not
cost anything (or almost) and extra delay will be
just one or two days
at
most.
Please let me know what you want to do about the PCB.
Please let me know the exact passives modifications. I will purchase
the
components asap and send the modifications list
to the fab.
Best regards.
Jean-Samuel.
:-)
Le 23 juil. 2012 22:47, "Andrey Sviyazov" <andreysviyaz(a)gmail.com> a
écrit :
> Hi Jean-Samuel.
>
> Please let me know fabrication progress, a specially PCB.
> I ask you because of few changes required to improve LMS phase noises.
> BOM required changes in passive components only.
> If PCB doesn't yet ordered, then possible I'll make changes too.
>
> Best regards,
> Andrey Sviyazov.
> (Sent from my mobile client)
>
> 04.07.2012 20:01 пользователь "Jean-Samuel Najnudel - BJT PARTNERS
SARL"
> <jsn(a)bjtpartners.com> написал:
>>
>> Hi Andrey,
>>
>> Thank you very much for your help.
>>
>> I will forward this to the fab.
>> Yes, you are all right, the FBMH2012HM121-T price is much better
than the
>> MLB-201209-0120PU. However, availability
on Farnell France is not as
good as
>> the MLB-201209-0120PU. Price difference
is quite big but we only use
5 beads
>> per boards. Difference makes only about 1
euro per board. I will let
the fab
>> decide between these 2 references.
>>
>> Best regards.
>>
>> Jean-Samuel.
>> :-)
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Andrey Sviyazov <
andreysviyaz(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Jean-Samuel.
>>>
>>> Yes, you are all right and you can order TDK - MPZ1608S601A instead
of
>>> MLB-160808-0600PL.
>>> And also possible to use 3 times cheaper FBMH2012HM121-T, 0805, 2.5A
>>> instead of MLB-201209-0120PU.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Andrey Sviyazov.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2012/7/4 Jean-Samuel Najnudel - BJT PARTNERS SARL <
jsn(a)bjtpartners.com>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Andrey,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you very much for your reply.
>>>> Now, I better understand.
>>>>
>>>> You are all right. I do not have anything as high current as
>>>> MLB-201209-0120PU at a lower price.
>>>>
>>>> However, I have a 0603 600 ohm 1A bead, as MLB-160808-0600PL, at a
much
>>>> lower price.
>>>>
>>>>
http://ru.farnell.com/tdk/mpz1608s601a/ferrite-bead-0603-600-ohm/dp/1669747…
>>>> What do you think about this
component (TDK MPZ1608S601A)?
>>>>
>>>> Best regards.
>>>>
>>>> Jean-Samuel.
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Andrey Sviyazov
>>>> <andreysviyaz(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jean-Samuel.
>>>>>
>>>>> If Farnell better for you, then please order exactly
MLB-201209-0120PU
>>>>> and MLB-160808-0600PL.
>>>>> They are HI_CURRENT beads and it is really required.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please find attached here new SCH and BOM files with new part
numbers
>>>>> and links.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Andrey Sviyazov.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2012/7/4 Jean-Samuel Najnudel - BJT PARTNERS SARL
>>>>> <jsn(a)bjtpartners.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Andrey,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you very much for your reply.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Could you please confirm the components bellow are fine ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
http://fr.farnell.com/murata/blm18tg601tn1d/ferrite-600ohm/dp/1115050RL
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
http://fr.farnell.com/tdk/mmz2012121b/perle-de-ferrite-0805-120-ohm/dp/1669…
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please let me know if this is fine.
>>>>>>> If not, which would you suggest ?
>>>>>>>
http://ru.farnell.com/ferrite-beads
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks a lot for your help.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jean-Samuel.
>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 2:02
PM, Andrey Sviyazov
>>>>>>> <andreysviyaz(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Jean-Samuel.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For the TI160808U601 and TI201209U121 you can use any
high
current
>>>>>>> ferrite chip bead
with 600 Ohm and 120 Ohm impedance
respectively.
>>>>>>> For example you could
order similar partnumbers from the ELFA
>>>>>>> catalogue in the 0603 and 0805 SMD cases respectively,
datasheet here pdf.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Andrey Sviyazov.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2012/7/4 Jean-Samuel Najnudel - BJT PARTNERS SARL
>>>>>>> <jsn(a)bjtpartners.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Andrey,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for your reply.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I try to find where to buy the TI160808U601 and
TI201209-121
>>>>>>>> chokes. I do not know where I should find these. Would
you
know where I
>>>>>>>> should order
these components ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> By the way, do you confirm the ISSI SRAM is pin
compatible
with the
>>>>>>>> Cypress chip ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/IS61NLP51236-200TQLI/706-1103-ND/1…
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is this ISSI chip fine for our application ? Is 18 MBit
enough
?
>>>>>>>> Do you confirm
this ISSI chip is the best value for what we
need ?
>>>>>>>> Are you sure we
cannot find a lower cost chip with similar
performances
>>>>>>>> and/or a better
performances chip with similar cost ?
>>>>>>>> Are you sure we will not need to reroute the PCB ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We really need to be sure before starting the PCB
production.
If
>>>>>>>> both you and
Alexander confirm everything is fine, I will ask
the fab to
>>>>>>>> start the PCB.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please let me know.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Again, thanks a lot for your help.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best regards.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jean-Samuel.
>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Andrey Sviyazov
>>>>>>>> <andreysviyaz(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jean-Samuel.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please inform me what actually rf chockes partnumbers
are
problem
>>>>>>>>> to order.
>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately MuRata produce few billion pcs and then
stopped
for
>>>>>>>>> a few years.
>>>>>>>>> So, possible we have to find some Chinese fab
partnumbers to
>>>>>>>>> order.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>> Andrey Sviyazov.
>>>>>>>>> (Sent from my mobile client)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 04.07.2012 1:22 пользователь "Andrey
Sviyazov"
>>>>>>>>> <andreysviyaz(a)gmail.com> написал:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jean-Samuel.
>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately I have no internet connection now.
>>>>>>>>>> Tomorrow I'll check flash and others.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Andrey Sviyazov.
>>>>>>>>>> (Sent from my mobile client)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 04.07.2012 1:10 пользователь "Alexander
Chemeris"
>>>>>>>>>> <alexander.chemeris(a)gmail.com> написал:
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Jean-Samuel
Najnudel - BJT
>>>>>>>>>> > PARTNERS
>>>>>>>>>> > SARL <jsn(a)bjtpartners.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> > > 1/ Would you know a distributor for the
Murata chokes ?
The
>>>>>>>>>> > >
fab them to have
>>>>>>>>>> > > some issue to source these.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > Andrey is looking into this.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > > 2/ Would you suggest a distributor for
the GPS chip ?
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > Try contacting manufacturer directly:
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
http://www.transystem.com.tw/product.php?b=g&m=pe&cid=4&sid=&am…
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > They have a distributor in UK, but I think
it might be
easier
>>>>>>>>>> > to
buy
>>>>>>>>>> > from the manufacturer directly:
>>>>>>>>>> >
http://www.castlemicrowave.com/castle-contact.asp
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > This chip is popular in Russia, so it is
easy to source
them
>>>>>>>>>> >
here,
>>>>>>>>>> > shipping them to EU might be a pain in big
batches, but I
think
>>>>>>>>>> > we
>>>>>>>>>> > could send few chips for this prototyping
batch if
>>>>>>>>>> > manufacturer's lead
>>>>>>>>>> > time is too long. Here it costs $14.50/chip
for more then
16
>>>>>>>>>> >
chips:
>>>>>>>>>> >
http://www.compel.ru/infosheet/TSI/EB-570/
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > --
>>>>>>>>>> > Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> > Alexander Chemeris.
>>>>>>>>>> > CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ООО УмРадио
>>>>>>>>>> >
http://fairwaves.ru
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
--
Regards,
Alexander Chemeris.
CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ООО УмРадио
http://fairwaves.ru