31 Dec
2012
31 Dec
'12
6:37 p.m.
Hi all,
as the year 2012 has already ended or will soon end depending on your
timezone, it might be a good occasion to start thinking of an OsmoDevCon
2013.
I personally percevied OsmoDevCon 2012 as a big success, and it was fun
to bring everyone together.
Generally, I prefer to keep the spirit of an invitation-only
developer+contributor-only event of those involved in Osmocom. At the
same time, I would consider it a good idea to add a one day
user-conference to the schedule, where we try to get interested users up
to speed with the various projects, possibly including some workshops
and the like.
So schedule-wise, I would suggest something like:
* one day user conference
* two day developer/contributor event
* optionally: 1-2 "hacking days".
The concept of "hacking days" has proven to be quite useful for the
netfilter project in the past (Pablo and I can acknowledge to that
fact). I'm not sure how many people would be able to spend even more
days of their schedule, but even if it's a much smaller group it would
still be useful, IMHO.
I'd like you to
1) provide feedback on the ideas about the one-day user event and the
hacking days
2) consider whether late march (like 2012) would be a good schedule
again
3) what we can improve from the last event
In terms of improvements, I so far have noted down:
* larger venue needs to be found
* complaints about the venue not having sufficient heating
Venue-wise, I would again suggest to hold it in Berlin, as it's
reasonbly well connected, has lots of low-cost flights to it,
accomodation is not too expensive and holger/me/sysmocom can take care
of local organization related activities. Hoewver, if somebody has a
strong opinion against berlin _and_ is willing to organize it, I'm not
completely against another venue.
Regards and happy new year,
Harald
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1 Jan
1 Jan
10:16 p.m.
Hi,
I personally percevied OsmoDevCon 2012 as a big
success, and it was fun
to bring everyone together.
Same here and definitely looking forward to the 2013 edition !
Generally, I prefer to keep the spirit of an
invitation-only
developer+contributor-only event of those involved in Osmocom.
+1
At the same time, I would consider it a good idea to
add a one day
user-conference to the schedule, where we try to get interested users up
to speed with the various projects, possibly including some workshops
and the like.
Sure, could be nice.
This might have some impact on logistics though since that means we
may require significantly more space for the 'public' side that for
the contributors only part, (and even possibly several rooms for
workshops ?)
The concept of "hacking days" has proven to
be quite useful for the
netfilter project in the past (Pablo and I can acknowledge to that
fact). I'm not sure how many people would be able to spend even more
days of their schedule, but even if it's a much smaller group it would
still be useful, IMHO.
Yes, that's something we actually brought up during 29C3 that doing
some hacking would definitely be a great idea. Last year we kinda
planned of doing that in the evening but with day packed full of talk
and then just general social interaction, we pretty much never got
around to it.
Now what I'm not yet sure is if it's best to have dedicated
presentation / hacking days or to have hacking sessions on specific
topic during the general schedule.
2) consider whether late march (like 2012) would be a
good schedule
again
For me late march is fine.
3) what we can improve from the last event
The only thing that comes to mind was the "hacking" part and that's
covered above.
A south-east non-shielded window with visibility down to 20deg
elevation maybe ...
Venue-wise, I would again suggest to hold it in
Berlin, as it's
reasonbly well connected, has lots of low-cost flights to it,
accomodation is not too expensive and holger/me/sysmocom can take care
of local organization related activities. Hoewver, if somebody has a
strong opinion against berlin _and_ is willing to organize it, I'm not
completely against another venue.
Damn, I was so looking forward to holding it in Dubai :p
Cheers,
Sylvain
2 Jan
2 Jan
4:46 p.m.
On Tue, Jan 01, 2013 at 10:16:52PM +0100, Sylvain Munaut wrote:
ok, then I'll start to look for a venue that's available during that
timeframe.
This might have some impact on logistics though since
that means we
may require significantly more space for the 'public' side that for
the contributors only part, (and even possibly several rooms for
workshops ?)
I don't think that's much of a problem. Sure, it will have to be
different rooms, maybe even at a different location in Berlin. In case
of lack of better ideas, we could consider using the large c-base main
hall for the user day, I'm quite sure it would be sufficient, size-wise.
Also, one might be able to get some room at a university. In fact,
given that some folks at TU Berlin are using OsmocomBB and even OpenBSC
+ sysmoBTS, it might be an option to consider.
Now what I'm not yet sure is if it's best to
have dedicated
presentation / hacking days or to have hacking sessions on specific
topic during the general schedule.
i think splitting them from the main part of the OsmoDevCon has the
advantage that not everyone has to be there during all the days.
2) consider
whether late march (like 2012) would be a good schedule
again
For me late march is fine. A south-east non-shielded window with visibility down
to 20deg
elevation maybe ...
heh. well, I think considering that would make the search quite more
difficult...
Regards,
Harald
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"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
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4:23 a.m.
Harald -
Am 31.12.2012 um 09:37 schrieb Harald Welte <laforge(a)gnumonks.org>rg>:
Hi all,
as the year 2012 has already ended or will soon end depending on your
timezone, it might be a good occasion to start thinking of an OsmoDevCon
2013.
I personally percevied OsmoDevCon 2012 as a big success, and it was fun
to bring everyone together.
I agree. And while I am not a direct participant in Osmocom, I would like participate in
this event again and contribute in some way that others find useful.
Generally, I prefer to keep the spirit of an invitation-only
developer+contributor-only event of those involved in Osmocom. At the
same time, I would consider it a good idea to add a one day
user-conference to the schedule, where we try to get interested users up
to speed with the various projects, possibly including some workshops
and the like.
I would be interested in attending an user-oriented OsmocomBB event.
So schedule-wise, I would suggest something like:
* one day user conference
* two day developer/contributor event
* optionally: 1-2 "hacking days".
The concept of "hacking days" has proven to be quite useful for the
netfilter project in the past (Pablo and I can acknowledge to that
fact). I'm not sure how many people would be able to spend even more
days of their schedule, but even if it's a much smaller group it would
still be useful, IMHO.
To go to Berlin from San Francisco, I spend about 16 hours in transit each way. So once I
am there, I might as well stay a few days. :) I would hope to find others interested in
working on project that overlaps with OpenBTS, like Sylvain's recent
handset-cum-femtocell project, or an SMSCB that both projects can use.
I'd like you to
1) provide feedback on the ideas about the one-day user event and the
hacking days
These sound like good additions.
2) consider whether late march (like 2012) would be a
good schedule
against
My own preference would be either early March, immediately after the GSM World Congress
(so anyone attending both from outside Europe can combine travel) or as late in March as
possible or even in April to give some turn-around time between trips.
3) what we can improve from the last event
This may sound odd coming from me, but unless this is explicitly intended to be a broad
"FOSS cellular" event, broader than Osmocom, I would prefer to discuss OpenBTS
only to the degree that the projects overlap or might interoperate. I think more
discussion of topics like SIM acquisition, SIM applications, SS7-MAP and core network
integration would be great. I think the public-vs-commercial discussion of OpenBTS was
weird and inappropriate for the audience. More discussion of analog radio topics, like
antenna selection and propagation, including specific case studies, might be a good
addition if there is interest.
In terms of improvements, I so far have noted down:
* larger venue needs to be found
* complaints about the venue not having sufficient heating
C-Base has its charms, but I agree with these.
Venue-wise, I would again suggest to hold it in Berlin, as it's
reasonbly well connected, has lots of low-cost flights to it,
accomodation is not too expensive and holger/me/sysmocom can take care
of local organization related activities. Hoewver, if somebody has a
strong opinion against berlin _and_ is willing to organize it, I'm not
completely against another venue.
I welcome any excuse to visit Berlin. I would personally prefer a venue in or near Mitte,
and certainly near an U-Banhhof.
Regards and happy new year,
Harald
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- Harald Welte <laforge(a)gnumonks.org> http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
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"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
(ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)
5:15 p.m.
Hi David,
On Tue, Jan 01, 2013 at 07:23:35PM -0800, David A. Burgess wrote:
I think very early march after MWC might be a bit challenging to
organize given the limited lead-time. Late in march might be
overlapping with Easter holidays, where people might have holiday plans,
or attend other events like EasterHegg.
So personally, I think early April might be a better choice then.
Question to the list at large: Would you prefer or avoid overlap with
Easter?
I agree. And while I am not a direct participant in
Osmocom, I would
like participate in this event again and contribute in some way that
others find useful.
great, your presence is appreciated.
2) consider
whether late march (like 2012) would be a good schedule
against
My own preference would be either early March, immediately after the
GSM World Congress (so anyone attending both from outside Europe can
combine travel) or as late in March as possible or even in April to
give some turn-around time between trips. This may sound odd coming from me, but unless this is
explicitly
intended to be a broad "FOSS cellular" event, broader than Osmocom, I
would prefer to discuss OpenBTS only to the degree that the projects
overlap or might interoperate.
I understand that position and don't mind it at all.
Regards,
Harald
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- Harald Welte <laforge(a)gnumonks.org> http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
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"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
(ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)
12:21 a.m.
I would prefer not to overlap, since for me this actually counts as "work". I
guess I'm lucky that way.
And I will probably try to schedule other business in Europe around this event, so keeping
it away from Easter gives me more flexibility.
On Jan 3, 2013, at 3:13 PM, Sylvain Munaut wrote:
Question to
the list at large: Would you prefer or avoid overlap with
Easter?
Maybe a slight preference since it means taking less days off work ...
but really it doesn't change much to me.
Cheers,
Sylvain 
12:04 p.m.
Hi Harald,
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Harald Welte <laforge(a)gnumonks.org> wrote:
as the year 2012 has already ended or will soon end
depending on your
timezone, it might be a good occasion to start thinking of an OsmoDevCon
2013.
I personally percevied OsmoDevCon 2012 as a big success, and it was fun
to bring everyone together.
+1
Generally, I prefer to keep the spirit of an
invitation-only
developer+contributor-only event of those involved in Osmocom. At the
same time, I would consider it a good idea to add a one day
user-conference to the schedule, where we try to get interested users up
to speed with the various projects, possibly including some workshops
and the like.
I second this.
So schedule-wise, I would suggest something like:
* one day user conference
* two day developer/contributor event
* optionally: 1-2 "hacking days".
The concept of "hacking days" has proven to be quite useful for the
netfilter project in the past (Pablo and I can acknowledge to that
fact). I'm not sure how many people would be able to spend even more
days of their schedule, but even if it's a much smaller group it would
still be useful, IMHO.
I'd like you to
1) provide feedback on the ideas about the one-day user event
Tutorials and status updates?
and the hacking days
Bug hunting&fixing (e.g. in osmosgsn), writing unit tests,
architecture changes discussions?
2) consider whether late march (like 2012) would be a
good schedule
again
I'm very much willing to attend and the lest week of March is very
inconvenient for me due to other activities I participate in. April is
much better (and warmer).
3) what we can improve from the last event
In terms of improvements, I so far have noted down:
* larger venue needs to be found
* complaints about the venue not having sufficient heating
Yes, being at a warm place helps a lot.
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