On 11/2/21 11:22, Sylvain Munaut wrote: Agree, I consider this a must (or some sort of equivalent certificate). I'd say at least providing a PCR/antigen test over last 24-48h is enough, given that I expect no much social interaction with third parties once OsmoDevCon starts, since we'll be most part of the day together. That'd be fine for me. Maybe one can be enforced during the first day at start of the event. While in general I like being at IN Berlin during the conferences, it would be a good idea to explore other venues for this year, were we can have a bit more space between people and a bigger volume of ventilated air, maybe also with some extra place outside. The specific rules regarding this topic can probably be discussed/announced a few days/weeks before the event, to take into account current legislation, epidemic numbers, etc. since it doesn't involve any kind of organization ahead. Regards, Pau -- - Pau Espin Pedrol <pespin(a)sysmocom.de> http://www.sysmocom.de/ ======================================================================= * sysmocom - systems for mobile communications GmbH * Alt-Moabit 93 * 10559 Berlin, Germany * Sitz / Registered office: Berlin, HRB 134158 B * Geschaeftsfuehrer / Managing Director: Harald Welte

Neels Hofmeyr wrote: Back in December 2020 into January 2021 I was indeed sick with Covid; one could even argue that I caught it deliberately on purpose, as I was defiantly attending every illegal superspreader event I could find in my neck of the woods, until I finally got my wish of catching the C in late December. I never got tested, never got put on any official counts of "cases", and I principally refused any and all medical care, i.e., I recovered entirely on my own with zero medical assistance or intervention. Beyond my word, the only evidence I have of having had Covid and having recovered from it consists of antibodies in my blood. When I had my gender confirmation surgery in Mexico a little over 2 months ago (late August), they insisted on doing their Covid test; I objected to the hockey stick up my nose, so they did a blood test instead - initially. On the morning of my surgery they drew my blood, and then they tell me that the test came out positive! Their next step was to do a PCR test; thankfully they agreed to do their PCR with an oropharyngeal swab instead of nasopharyngeal, and it came out negative, hence I was able to get my surgery done on the original schedule. I looked up what kind of Covid-related blood tests exist out there, and as far as I can tell, a blood test means an antibody test, not anything else. Thus the positive blood test which I had on the morning of August 26 in Tijuana must have been a Covid antibody test, with the positive result meaning that I have those antibodies in my blood, or at least did back in August. I am currently in the process of attempting to retrieve a record of that antibody test from the Mexican medical office that coordinated my surgery. If I do get a copy of those blood test results showing that I had Covid antibodies in me as of 2021-08-26, would it be sufficient proof for your purposes that I recovered from Covid? Would I be then eligible to attend your Berlin gathering without vaccination or further testing requirements? I am including the part about further testing requirements because you mentioned: For me a trip to Berlin would be a *big* financial undertaking, both in direct costs (flight and accommodations) and time away from other activities such as my day job - thus I cannot take any chances. Being asked to take further tests, with my ability to attend conditionalized on the test yielding a certain result, would be akin to being asked to flip a coin on the morning of the event and being denied attendance if the coin lands tails - absolutely not acceptable given the financial commitment involved in travel. Therefore, the only way I will be able to make the travel investment (buy the plane ticket and make the major time investment as well) would be if there are NO further barriers such as tests. M~

Hi Keith, Entering Germany is not the problem - I have my ways. They are not entirely legal, so I am not going to discuss them in detail, but as a hint, there exist certain white cards to which I may have access, and I know that other people of my kind have successfully used the same methods very recently, successfully accessing other nearby EU countries for the purpose of physically meeting up with personal friends of like mind. My point is, I am fairly confident that entering Germany in 2022-04 will be possible for me, even if it isn't totally legal. Instead my real concern lies squarely and solely with Osmocom: if I do make it into your country using some not-quite-legal means, will _YOU_ bar me from _YOUR_ meeting space, the one under YOUR control? That's the central issue here. Given both the financial costs involved and the very major hoops I will most likely need to jump through to make it into EU and then back into USA in one piece, I will need very substantial foreplanning. If I am going to having any chance of making it, I will need to start making preparations now, 6 months in advance, hence me raising the topic. Or alternatively, I would be quite happy to stay on my side of the ocean if I could convince *at least one* person from your camp to come to Mexico (or to USA) and meet up with me as a gesture of friendship and goodwill, on a schedule that does not conflict with your Berlin meeting - but so far I got none. M~

Dear Neels and List, On Fri, Nov 05, 2021 at 10:47:47AM +0100, Neels Hofmeyr wrote: Note: I have received several such statements from other trusted long-term Osmocom developers via alternative / private channels. Based on the behavior we have repeatedly seen exhibited for a number of years by now, I can certainly understand those concerns. In order to host an event with trusted long-term collaborators in the usual productive, non-controversial, peaceful manner, I hereby declare that we do not extend a related invitation to Mychaela to participate in OsmoDevCon. @Mychaela: I would appreciate if you direct any potential criticism to me privately and not discuss this further on a list that is intended to facilitate technical exchange of open source development. Thanks for your kind understanding. -- - Harald Welte <laforge(a)osmocom.org> http://laforge.gnumonks.org/ ============================================================================ "Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option." (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)

On 05/11/2021 07:18, Kévin Redon wrote: Great Kevin, Thanks. This is something not touched upon yet, other than assuming that as always, talks would be recorded for consumption by the wider community. I assume also that adding some text or video remote participation will also not be beyond us. At least for Q&A, Engel - style. For my part, at this time I don't feel I have so much to contribute that would justify travel, health risks etc. So watching live or recordings will probably be sufficient - In fact, having reference to this archive is vital, I have often referenced videos after forgetting things - there's just too much to take in across 4 days of OsmoDevCon. Something that occurs to me, but it's not a personal preference, attendance is highly unlikely - but is there any reason to plan for late April, other than tradition? The few degrees of higher ambient temperature that are likely in late, or even mid May would seem to make ventilation so much easier. - My preferred venue - OUTSIDE! Remember those days at MarienStr when the sun came out, that was great! Thanks for organising a devcon! Best wishes to all and here's hoping for some relief next spring and a smooth event! (I have an unexplainable, totally nonrational gut feeling that covid-19 might just somehow fade away around early spring) k. P.D. For what it's worth, for the "record" as they say: IMHO people's health is on the greater part their own business and responsibility. So personally, I would have no agenda to segregate people. Besides, unless one would quarantine 3 or 4 days before, somehow travel to the venue in a bubble, stay there for the entire con and return home in a bubble to again quarantine, one could never be sure of the source of any infection. At the end of the day, If any unvaccinated people are free to move about in society by end of next spring, it seems likely that their immunity will be in very good shape, severe winter lockdown notwithstanding. In terms of tests, my personal experience has been that they are so unreliable as to be worse than useless, bordering on dangerous. So I'd skip that.

Hi Kevin, On Fri, Nov 05, 2021 at 02:18:14PM +0100, Kévin Redon wrote: thanks for that, as usual. -- - Harald Welte <laforge(a)osmocom.org> http://laforge.gnumonks.org/ ============================================================================ "Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option." (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)

I do prefer in May also, with a slightly warm weather. Cheers, Rafael On 11/15/21 10:44 AM, Harald Welte wrote: