22 Jun
2019
22 Jun
'19
9:31 p.m.
Hey :)
So, yeah, I think the convergence towards singularity is clear.
If you think it's not a problem if I join, I'd gladly do that. Hope
there's room for the three or four other GR/openembedded folks that
probably would like to join, but that's something that I should
probably ask the singularity folks myself, and discuss with the
GRfolks. Mostly coming by plane, I'd guess that they'd ask me to
organize stuff, anyways.
Anyways, I like the direction this is taking: There's enough Hornbachs,
IKEAs and equivalents scattered around that this would work as last-
minute fall back in any case.
On Sat, 2019-06-22 at 20:22 +0200, Harald Welte wrote:
Yes, there's beauty in solid tables for any purpose you'd want a table
to fulfill.
Also, these are way, way cheaper than I'd have guessed. So, that'd
*clearly* rule out the Tapeziertische.
Yeah, so I for once in my life decided to get a car (carsharing) that's
larger than my former '99 Punto, so knowing how much I can stuff in a
Punto, I'm pretty confident that most items smaller than Bierbanks are
transportable, no matter from where.
Idea: I'll ask the logistics of that Bierzeltgarnitur supplier whether
they do deterministic-day delivery. That solves 50% of the
transportation problem.
I'd really think this would be the solution of least effort, if
actually possible.
Oh! Tempting!
If you're paying for all the furnishing out of your own pocket, the
least I could do would be transporting them to Berlin after camp (which
is more or less on the way home, anyways); a tiny bit of research
yields that with the seats folded down, the Renault Kangoo that I'll
actually have has 150cm of storage depth, so that's only 70cm of
hangover. That's definitely doable within the bounds of StVO and common
sense, if we can find a Spanngurt to fixate the stuff.
Awesome!
Thanks for the offer. I am personally a bit more
sceptical towards
the
durability of this lowest-cost approach. Also, Pavillions of course
don't have side walls. That's nice for air flow, but also means that
they provide literally zero protection from anything but the smallest
amount of rain with no wind.
Yep, that's why there's 50€ of tarp on that cost estimate :)
That'd cost 5€/m² of "roofed area".
Rough estimate: 6 seats per
pavillon, if we put tabling in the middle, i.e. single-digit euros
in
tent costs pP. I'd probably go for three pavillons in total.
The real problem I'd see is table space, and seating.
We could go for pasting tables (hopefully, this is how you'd
translate
/Tapeziertische/)[2].
Honestly, I think anything below "Bierbank" style equipment[1]
doesn't make
much sense. I honestly have no idea how to address that; any
car that I could
reasonably rent
to drive ~1500km wouldn't have space for beer tent benches, [...]
We could order whatever stuff in advance and store it at my place in
Berlin. I have quite some storage space in my garage. That way one
wouldn't have to drive things for 1500km through Germany.
However, I don't have a vehicle larger than a regular limousine car
to transport things to/from camp. Maybe we could rent tables and chairs locally,
but I'd assume
they'd
require us to provide safe/clean flooring if we want to do that.
Not for "beer tent" benches + tables, which can also be rented. Not
sure about the rates. One thing, though: I don't want to produce a
couple of tables, a
few
pavillons, and folding chairs in waste. So, we'd ideally come up
with a
plan for what to do with the gathered infra after camp. That could
involve storing some at my or someone else's place, communal space
or
donating it to someone who can put it to sensible use.
I can certainly store some amount of stuff (as long as it's still in
a
condition to remain used) at my home, so it could be reused at the
very
least at the next camp in 4 years.
Something like two Bierzeltgarnituren (each a tables + 2 benches) I'd
actually offer to buy out of my own pocket, as I'm sure I'd have use
for them at other occasions in my garden. Hope this
helps anyone.
Thanks again for your offer. I guess the big questions is whether
we will join singularity city, if not, I guess you volunteering is a
good thing. If we are joining singularity city, then I suppose it's
much less critical as there should at least be some space for us in
the
shared large tent. Probably not sufficient for everyone to sit there
all day long, but then people also will be moving around...
btw: I will be bringing the "Osmocom fan
base", if you remember it
from
last time. It has been operating at the sysmocom offices during the
last for years ;)
hehe. I have a new laptop, but it's overheating even more frequently
than the previous one. <insert ode to my old X201>
btw2: There's a singularity city organization
mumble meeting coming
up on July 2nd. Maybe somebody wants to join that to get a better
feeling of whether we would still need to bring extra tests and/or
tables+seating in that case.
Regards,
Harald
[1]
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Bierzeltgarnitur-Festzeltgarnitur-Set-Garnitur-Sitz…