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John Case case at SDF.ORGOn Thu, 4 Oct 2012, Mh wrote: > TI or Qualcomm will not sell "you" their IP , no matter what . there is > a very complicated "legal" process behind these kinds of deals , > specifically a regulation process done outside the vendor , that is > usually a government organization . you would however be able to > purchase protected DSP style working components and NDAed dox with > 6-figure deals . Ok. So if there was to be a free-as-in-freedom Galaxy Nexus, with full control of all layers, it would be the result of a real, material breech, or leak. Someone would have to do Something Bad. > there is a different type of business you can look into though , take a > look at Lyrtech's stuff for example . you can buy at least as good as > HDL crystal clear IP from them licensed and hassle free with support and > dox and all , but they target specially built systems , usually huge > expensive SDRs . But the point here is an end user (like me) having a secure and free-as-in-freedom phone, so unless we're going to create a community-backed reference platform (which would be great, of course) this doesn't help a lot. Are there any 3G handsets currently for sale that have this (more open) system underneath ? > the alleged TI's leaks , mo matter what the circumstance , are not to my > experiences of much practical importance . if you got the engineering > resources and enough money to put such stuff into use , you may as well > code it all from scratch , since most specs are already public . the > Patents usually prevent people from certifying , therefore , prevent > selling big time for serious profit and limiting the market . its not > like they are Nuclear missile code secrets . difference between > engineering and reverse engineering in Software ecosystem and Telecom > ecosystem is exactly in the time/resource/profit formulation . kids code > a virus or crack a code over a couple of nights using ollydbg , although > they need to learn a lot of math and electric shit before doing baseband > scale maneuver . they almost never do , or Apple offer them Jobs ;) You're approaching this as if I want to build and market cell site equipment, or build my own infrastructure ... of course that is interesting, but really all I want is a somewhat modern phone that I can control and feel somewhat secure in using, which means either isolataing the basebadn processor (see my other thread about using USB GSM modems with a galaxy music player) or breaking the baseband of a platform more useful than calypso... I do wonder, however, if these open reference chipsets exist, why we are looking at calypso as the basis for the "other" osmocom projects (like the baseband dev kit that has been proposed...) it seems like your example would be less of a dead end...