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Andrey Sviyazov andrey.sviyazov at fairwaves.ruHi Srdjan. Today I found why noises and spurs are really happens in UmTRXv1. 1) Only full disabling (no power) GPS module can kill all near spurs. 2) To get good noises the next changes are required: - replace choke L6 by capacitor 10nF..0.1uF. - remove C45. I've assembled 100kHz loop filter with the next components: C82 = 100pF, C83=1500pF, C84=33pF, R106=2.2k, R109=3.3k. Result without GPS for IChP=0.4mA and due to several XO attached here. Also attached comparison of 50kHz/100kHz loop filters with optimal IChp 1.2mA/0.4mA but with GPS module (no antenna). So, now we need to measure integrated LO noise (degrees) to understand which filter and IChP better. Best regards, Andrey Sviyazov. 2012/7/23 Srdjan Milenkovic <s.milenkovic at limemicro.com> > Hi Andrey, > > Below is the loop filter for 100kHz loop bandwidth, 26MHz reference clock, > 400uA charge pump current. It has been tested and should give you around > -90dBc/Hz plateau. > > > > C1 R2 C2 R3 C3 9.01E-11 2.46E+03 1.42E-09 3280.93 2.56E-11 > > Loop filter components for 10kHz bandwidth, 26MHz reference clock, 400uA > charge pump current are below: > > C1 R2 C2 R3 C3 9.01E-09 2.46E+02 1.42E-07 328.09 2.56E-09 > There should not be any issue with loop stability even with 10kHz filter. > However, PLL settling time is increased so you have to slow down VCOCAP > auto-tune. > > I would recommend to use 100kHz filter. > > Regards, Srdjan > > > **** **** > On 22/07/2012 20:53, Andrey Sviyazov wrote: > > Hi Srdjan. > > First of all thank you for support. > > We do not have register dump. However, Lime GUI project file used in >> this experiment is attached. You can use GUI File->Open Project option to >> import it. I see Ichp and Ichp offset currents are different from defaults >> but these still do not justify 5-12dB worse PN in your reports. You can >> give it a try though before changing TCXCO. >> > > We will try to adjust Ichp and offset first off all. Thank you for hint. > > *Test Description:* >> >> - DC MAX applied through analogue inputs, DACs off >> >> It is quite important detail too. > >> >> >> >> - TXVGA1 and TXVGA2 at max gain >> >> Similar. > >> >> >> >> - Loop filter redesigned for 100kHz loop bandwidth and 40MHz reference >> >> >> - Icp and Icp offset optimized at 25 deg. Same set up used at all >> other temperatures >> >> Please inform us values of components for 100kHz BW filter. > But we are forced to use one clock 26MHz for all because of target price. > >> >> >> >> - Cap code and VCO picked up by PLL tune routine >> >> I implemented 10kHz BW filter for PLL and found that frequency locking > become unstable because of calculated VCOCAP value a bit lower then > required (too high capacity). > If VCOCAP incremented manualy (after auto-tuned) then no any problems. > What do you think about it. > And could you please inform me values for 10 kHz BW filter, just to > compare with my calculations. > > Best regards, > Andrey Sviyazov. > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.osmocom.org/pipermail/umtrx/attachments/20120723/c190f59c/attachment.htm> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: TxLO noise at PLL_BW 100kHz due XO.png Type: image/png Size: 39764 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.osmocom.org/pipermail/umtrx/attachments/20120723/c190f59c/attachment.png> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: TxLO noise depend PLL_BW50-100.png Type: image/png Size: 36952 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.osmocom.org/pipermail/umtrx/attachments/20120723/c190f59c/attachment-0001.png>