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John Case case at SDF.ORGOn Thu, 4 Oct 2012, Peter Stuge wrote: > John Case wrote: >> I was saying that pursuing calypso was a dead end. > > I disagree. > > There are still quite a few people in the world who can learn about > low-level details of 2G cell phone networks, and that is valuable. Ok, I'll qualify that ... I think that pursuing calypso as the only working component of osmocom, and to the exclusion of all else, is a dead end. If Harold gets the open implementation of calypso up and running as a dev kit and we can all build imsi catchers with that, that's great - I will buy 10. In term of making peoples lives better and giving people more security and freedom, there needs to be a 3G (or even LTE) platform. I am repeating myself, but again: when was the last time a reference handset was in the hands of millions of people ? And had been produced as a showcase of running a free OS ? If these kids can break the PS3, one of these nexus platforms should be able to be cracked wide open. > I think your approach to stay with a non-cell phone device is > admirable, but in practise it's not nearly as convenient and so > it doesn't scale. It might be good enough for some, but in any > case it can't really be called a cell phone. I'm just looking for control and security in my mobile computer ... I see two different routes to get there: 1. Gain complete, end to end (BP + AP) control over some hardware platform (obviously preferable) 2. Just find a computer I like and add a USB modem to it (only thing currently workable) So it's not what I want, and certainly not what I would push others toward - it's just the only option...