From bibor at syscallofduty.org Thu Jul 4 19:34:52 2019 From: bibor at syscallofduty.org (bibor) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 21:34:52 +0200 Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] Protokoll Orgatreffen Camp Message-ID: GSM CAMP19 Meeting 4.7.2019 people: keith, lassulus, fsck, lynxis, bibor Pad: ==== TOP 0: Ansiedelung ==== https://signup.c3assemblies.de/ https://signup.c3assemblies.de/assembly/0ec408c0-87b0-4c46-ae19-43e356c98c5b * Who is in the 3G/GSM Team? * Who will camp there? {not osmocom village} * lynxis * maybe bibor * fsck * Tent * fsck could probably organize a party tent 8x4m => he asks if he could have it https://tickets.events.ccc.de/camp2019hw/ We need space for buildup and teardown! Tables Deadline: Till Sunday 23:59 please fill yourself to the Wiki page TODO: (lynxis): write a mail to myself TODO: (bibor): tables and chairs TODO: write down "Flash BTS PCU" "Provisioning nano3g" wiki page ==== TOP 1: Licensensense ==== * 3g is on its way, but hasnt arrived now * telekom hasnt answered yet * 6 arfcn 1800 * lte 5mz in 1800 or 800 * telefonica * asked for the same as telekom * never heard everything again => bibor is poking lynxis tomorrow everyday till we get a license => lynxis should ask him again ==== TOP 2: Logistik ==== * LOC needs things by 1.8. * we want to ship things via LOC * we want to store one pallet in cccv lager after the camp bibor is the loc contact ==== TOP 3: Sim Karten ==== * dont know anything about it => lynxis pokes peter and kevin ==== TOP 4: Aufbau ==== * most people will probably around 17.8. * tent will probably arrive on that weekend ==== TOP 5: Vorbau ==== * we want to ask people if they are willing to contribute => lynxis writes a mail * we need to define tasks for preperation => lynxis searches for people to do that with him ==== TOP 6: Next Date ==== Work Meeting: 21.7. 14:00 From bibor at syscallofduty.org Sun Jul 14 18:49:02 2019 From: bibor at syscallofduty.org (bibor) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 20:49:02 +0200 Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] Team list for Camp19 Message-ID: <661541c7-e681-f6d4-3b84-437f0b9b30e8@syscallofduty.org> Hi, It has already been discussed on the irc and the orga meeting but, unfortunately not here. So if you want to help with the cellular network at camp on-site and/or with the preparations please read the wiki page and add yourself to the list. [0] if you don't have an account, write to lynxis. [1] It would be also helpful for people who want to participate to join #c3-gsm on hackint, because most of the discussion happens there. Greetings, bibor [0] https://code.fe80.eu/congressgsm/eventgsm/wikis/camp19/camp19-overview [1] lynxis at fe80.eu From nhofmeyr at sysmocom.de Mon Jul 29 15:12:11 2019 From: nhofmeyr at sysmocom.de (Neels Hofmeyr) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 17:12:11 +0200 Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] Osmocom Village at CCC Camp 2019 In-Reply-To: <20190621165404.GU25425@nataraja> References: <20190621165404.GU25425@nataraja> Message-ID: <20190729151211.GB8364@my.box> I am noting possible duplication in effort preparing the camp as well as digital infrastructure. Apparently bibor and lynxis aim to manage wiki etc on code.fe80.eu and the event-orga ML, and Osmocom to be part of the Singularity City. In contrast, this Osmocom Village mail seems to suggest a separate village and wiki+ML. I also at some point noted separate efforts made by different people for setting up a large Osmocom tent, IIUC. I'm not sure how to consolidate, but I get the strong feeling that bibor, lynxis and laforge should talk about the camp preparations to avoid "aneinander vorbeireden", confusion and redundant efforts ... ? ~N On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 06:54:04PM +0200, Harald Welte wrote: > Dear all, > > I've been asked by a number of pepole about a possible Osmocom village at the > CCC Camp 2019. I personally didn't really have any plans, but given related > e-mails and "encouragement" I went ahead and registered an "Osmocom Village", > see > https://signup.c3assemblies.de/assembly/3b8f7aa2-95d5-4c44-aadc-de8f2680e9c3 > > I also created a wiki page (as nobody else did, despite earlier discussion on IRC, > SCNR) for coordinating related efforts at > https://osmocom.org/projects/osmo-dev-con/wiki/CCC_Camp_2019 > > One of the bigger questions is about having a tent as well as some tables/benches > to sit on and work. The Camp orga team nas been negotiating rates with a tent > rental company, but to be honest I'm rather surprised by the extremely steep > pricing. The smallest possible tent (6m x 3m) would cost 825 EUR. I'm not > sure we want to raise that amount of money? Even if we'd be 10 people sharing > it, its still 82.50 EUR per person. And that excludes any tables/chairs. > > I'm attaching the relevant parts of a mail from the assemblies orga team FYI. > > Please note there also is some kind of fragmentation / overlap with the > team planning to run the GSM/3G networks at the camp, see Lynxis' > related post at > https://lists.osmocom.org/mailman/private/osmocom-event-orga/2019-June/000362.html > > It's questionable whether it makes sense to have tow distinct > 'villages', but given that e.g. I don't know anyone of that singularity > city, I'm not sure if we'd either be welcome there, nor whether we'd > want to associate us with them? Also, while the GSM network operation > for sure has good reasons to mingle with the POC and whatever facilities > they have, I'm not sure if the wider Osmocom community attendees > unrelated to the GSM network operation wouldn't just be a > disturbance/nuisance. > > In the end, to be honest, I personally do not feel I have the time and > mental capacity to take on any additional tasks in terms of organizing > anything. I just created the entry in c3assemblies as I was asked to, > and I similarly created the related mailing list and wiki page. > > So please, anyone interested in making an Osmocom village happen one way > or another, step up [and continue this discussion on the > camp2019-village at lists.osmocom.org mailing list, without crossposting > everywhere else :) > > Regards, > Harald > -- > - Harald Welte http://laforge.gnumonks.org/ > ============================================================================ > "Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option." > (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6) > Ticket sale is over. There are no more tickets available. There will be no ticket sale on site. That means > you should know how many will join your village. In the next days we start planning the placing of the > assemblies, we need your help. > > Please update your village registration at [3] https://signup.c3assemblies.de/ with the number of people > who will join, extra space you require, power requirements, and such. Please write all information to be > considered in the village registration form. > > There have been some frequently asked questions in the last weeks. So we want to address some topics here: > > Tents/Tables/Benches/Construction Wood: > Prebuilt tents, tables, benches and wood can be borrowed or bought via the presale system: [4] > https://tickets.events.ccc.de/camp2019hw/. For now there are only tents because we need to order them > soon. The rest will follow and can be bought with the same voucher. You will recieve a voucher with this > email (see below). The earlier you order your stuff, the more likely we can provide what you want. > Especially tents might be in short supply. Please remember bringing cash for the mandatory deposit of ? > 100,- for renting tables and benches. > > Water: > We want to remind you, if you bring cooking equipment, there will be no direct fresh water and waste water > supply for your kitchen. We will have some central places with fresh water supply and where you can wash > your kitchen utensiles and dishes. > > Power: > Power will be generated from diesel with power generators. All engergy you'll use will have to be > generated. Think about our environment and use as little power as possible. For that reason, there is no > possibility to fulfill high power demands for pizza ovens, saunas and alike. If you need cooling for your > food supplies, please think about your refrigeration requirements. Less is more. And please bring enough > outdoor and rain proof extension cables to connect your tents and equipment. > > Fire: > Open wood or coal fire is not allowed at any time. That applies for anything that needs heat for kitchen > usage. If you need heat, please bring your own safe gas-based camping heaters. > > Waste: > Of course there will be containers for waste, paper and glass on the camp site. But the camp tries to be > as sustainable and ecological as possible. So please consider bringing reusable dishes and cutlery. Also > think about bringing a refillable water bottle for this is the more ecological alternative to bottled > water. The tap water is perfectly drinkable. > > Wiki: > There will be no automatic transfer of your data from the village registration tool to the wiki. Please > create your own Wiki page using the form at [5] https://events.ccc.de/camp/2019/wiki/Form:Village if you > want your village appear in the wiki. Please be aware that the only valid place for village registration > is [6] https://signup.c3assemblies.de/ > > Timeline: > 14.8: Buildup: Only for angels who help with buildup and registered at the orga- or angelsystem with their dates > 16.8: People can start to build up their villages, no power or network yet > 19.8: Power is probably(!) available from now > 21.8: Offical start of the CCCamp19 \o/ > 25.8: Last day of the CCCamp19, start of disassembly in the evening > 28.8: Last day of disassembly, all must be finished no later than this day. If you stay 27th/28th, you are > expected to help out! > > Please see [7] https://events.ccc.de/camp/2019/wiki/Timeline for recent updates. > > [1] https://signup.c3assemblies.de/ > [2] https://tickets.events.ccc.de/camp2019hw/ > [3] https://signup.c3assemblies.de/ > [4] https://tickets.events.ccc.de/camp2019hw/ > [5] https://events.ccc.de/camp/2019/wiki/Form:Village > [6] https://signup.c3assemblies.de/ > [7] https://events.ccc.de/camp/2019/wiki/Timeline > -- - Neels Hofmeyr http://www.sysmocom.de/ ======================================================================= * sysmocom - systems for mobile communications GmbH * Alt-Moabit 93 * 10559 Berlin, Germany * Sitz / Registered office: Berlin, HRB 134158 B * Gesch?ftsf?hrer / Managing Directors: Harald Welte -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 833 bytes Desc: not available URL: From laforge at gnumonks.org Mon Jul 29 18:55:29 2019 From: laforge at gnumonks.org (Harald Welte) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 20:55:29 +0200 Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] Osmocom Village at CCC Camp 2019 In-Reply-To: <20190729151211.GB8364@my.box> References: <20190621165404.GU25425@nataraja> <20190729151211.GB8364@my.box> Message-ID: <20190729185528.GH23630@nataraja> Hi Neels, On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 05:12:11PM +0200, Neels Hofmeyr wrote: > I am noting possible duplication in effort preparing the camp as well as > digital infrastructure. Apparently bibor and lynxis aim to manage wiki etc on > code.fe80.eu and the event-orga ML, and Osmocom to be part of the Singularity > City. In contrast, this Osmocom Village mail seems to suggest a separate > village and wiki+ML. I also at some point noted separate efforts made by > different people for setting up a large Osmocom tent, IIUC. I think the "problem" here is that we have two disjunct communities: 1) The wider "Osmocom and friends" community, consisting of people related to Osmocom projects unrelated to GSM/cellular, but even reaching into the gnuradio crowd, who had historically also been sharing the Osmocom village. This is about bringing together people working on various SDR / communications related topics for "hanging out, chatting, ...". As I wrote before, people have reached out to me about this for months. 2) The "post LaF0rge" team operating the 2G/3G network at CCC events. I see that as a rather "production oriented" team which has to work closely with the POC, etc. and which shouldn't be bothered/distracted by people who are not involved in that. > I'm not sure how to consolidate, but I get the strong feeling that bibor, > lynxis and laforge should talk about the camp preparations to avoid "aneinander > vorbeireden", confusion and redundant efforts ... ? I'm always open to discuss, but after months of public posts on this ando ther mailing lists, I'm not sure what there is to add. In short: * both villages are now part of Singularity City * Osmocom Village has no separate tent/infrastructure but people will hang out at the singularity city hackcenter. Regards, Harald -- - Harald Welte http://laforge.gnumonks.org/ ============================================================================ "Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option." (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6) From lynxis at fe80.eu Wed Jul 31 16:02:42 2019 From: lynxis at fe80.eu (Alexander Couzens) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 18:02:42 +0200 Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] Osmocom Village at CCC Camp 2019 In-Reply-To: <20190729185528.GH23630@nataraja> References: <20190621165404.GU25425@nataraja> <20190729151211.GB8364@my.box> <20190729185528.GH23630@nataraja> Message-ID: <20190731180242.6db0a0f9@lazus.yip> Hi Neels, > * both villages are now part of Singularity City > * Osmocom Village has no separate tent/infrastructure but people will > hang out at the singularity city hackcenter. I agree with Harald that both villages have different needs. The GSM/3G village needs place and time to build the network up and tear down. If the network doesn't work, we like to have a quiet tent to fix everything. But if everything works, we also like to hack and chill. IMHO: The main reason for 2 villages was the lack of time to organize it together, at least I can say it for my side. I hope we will be at the same table hacking, drinking mate and having fun! I see the GSM/3G team as part of the osmocom community and hope everybody feels invited to join the GSM/3G team. Have a nice camp, lynxis -- Alexander Couzens mail: lynxis at fe80.eu jabber: lynxis at fe80.eu gpg: 390D CF78 8BF9 AA50 4F8F F1E2 C29E 9DA6 A0DF 8604 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 833 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: