From lynxis at fe80.eu  Tue Dec 10 19:51:53 2019
From: lynxis at fe80.eu (Alexander 'lynxis' Couzens)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 20:51:53 +0100
Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] 850 mhz, 2600 mhz, no 1800
Message-ID: <20191210205153.667729f3@lazus.yip>

hey,

we've got responses from BNetzA and Telefonica.

BNetzA will license us 850 band (5mhz).
Telefonica will license use 2600 band (10 mhz, 100mw).

I would like to have a LTE setup.

How should we use the 850 band?
Should we use it for GSM? UMTS? Or both? Like GSM in the edges, UMTS in
the middle?

Best,
lynxis

-- 
Alexander Couzens

mail: lynxis at fe80.eu
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From laforge at osmocom.org  Tue Dec 10 20:58:50 2019
From: laforge at osmocom.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 21:58:50 +0100
Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] 850 mhz, 2600 mhz, no 1800
In-Reply-To: <20191210205153.667729f3@lazus.yip>
References: <20191210205153.667729f3@lazus.yip>
Message-ID: <20191210205850.GP2040715@nataraja>

On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 08:51:53PM +0100, Alexander 'lynxis' Couzens wrote:

> BNetzA will license us 850 band (5mhz).
> Telefonica will license use 2600 band (10 mhz, 100mw).

Sad (no 1800).  I guess that's final?  Or are you pursuing alternatives with other operators?

> I would like to have a LTE setup.

The eNB from camp can be used again.  At least all but one which seemed
broken, but meanwhile I think I obtained 1-2 more.  So I guess you could
operate 6-7 of them.  It will by far be insufficient to cover the fair grounds.

Make sure you place them physically at very elevated locations to have line-of-sight
to most subscribers.  I think one of the problems at the camp was that they were at
less than 2m height, which means every human being in between the user and the eNB
is a large attenuator.

> How should we use the 850 band?
> Should we use it for GSM? UMTS? Or both? Like GSM in the edges, UMTS in
> the middle?

I think due to the very different spectrum usage of narrow-band TDMA GSM
and wideband CDMA in UMTS  you will very likely get significant interference
in the GSM -> UMTS direction.  Particularly on uplink, where it's actually
more difficult to manage as the phone might just be ad the edge of a GSM cell
(downlink very weak, no interference) but then the phone sends at maximum power
 - in all directions, not just in the direction of your GSM BTS.

So from a RF / physical point of view, I would argue against operating two
technologies on the very same channel, unless you can more or less prove that
due to physical distance/isolation there won't be any interference.

-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at osmocom.org>            http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
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From nhofmeyr at sysmocom.de  Wed Dec 11 22:09:51 2019
From: nhofmeyr at sysmocom.de (Neels Hofmeyr)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 23:09:51 +0100
Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] 850 mhz, 2600 mhz, no 1800
In-Reply-To: <20191210205850.GP2040715@nataraja>
References: <20191210205153.667729f3@lazus.yip>
 <20191210205850.GP2040715@nataraja>
Message-ID: <20191211220951.GA20144@my.box>

> How should we use the 850 band?
> Should we use it for GSM? UMTS? Or both? Like GSM in the edges, UMTS in
> the middle?

I think for many participants, using the GSM with old phones is the modus
operandi. Sure, many use dual-SIM smart phones, but from a point of view of
allowing the most devices to participate, I would prefer to have 2G instead of
only a 3G net. My plan is explicitly to again service voice to old phones that
don't speak AMR, and completely switching off 2G would be a step in the
opposite direction, probably a disappointment to many participants. It's sad to
do it, but if we have to, let's rather switch off 3G.

Much nicer would be to have spectrum for both. Can we try to ask around some
more? Did they say why they can't / will not allow it? Seems to me that limited
use inside Leipzig Messe for a few days hardly interferes with their network...

Would you like me to help with that, does it make sense if I also try to
contact operators somehow, or would it just interfere with your contacts? ... I
have no idea how I would reach the right people, but I could certainly try.

~N
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From 246tnt at gmail.com  Wed Dec 11 22:16:24 2019
From: 246tnt at gmail.com (Sylvain Munaut)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 23:16:24 +0100
Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] 850 mhz, 2600 mhz, no 1800
In-Reply-To: <20191211220951.GA20144@my.box>
References: <20191210205153.667729f3@lazus.yip>
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Message-ID: <CAHL+j0-Pp9_ZosnOQXPXAQuHV9fHKhWLwTy9H8PsE1nj_+EH_Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

> I think for many participants, using the GSM with old phones is the modus
> operandi. Sure, many use dual-SIM smart phones, but from a point of view of
> allowing the most devices to participate, I would prefer to have 2G instead of
> only a 3G net. My plan is explicitly to again service voice to old phones that
> don't speak AMR, and completely switching off 2G would be a step in the
> opposite direction, probably a disappointment to many participants. It's sad to
> do it, but if we have to, let's rather switch off 3G.

How many of those old 2G device will support 850 though ?

Cheers,

    Sylvain


From keith at rhizomatica.org  Thu Dec 12 09:48:17 2019
From: keith at rhizomatica.org (Keith Whyte)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 09:48:17 +0000
Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] 850 mhz, 2600 mhz, no 1800
In-Reply-To: <CAHL+j0-Pp9_ZosnOQXPXAQuHV9fHKhWLwTy9H8PsE1nj_+EH_Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20191210205153.667729f3@lazus.yip>
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>>I think for many participants, using the GSM with old phones is the modus
operandi.


>How many of those old 2G device will support 850 though ?
>

This is what i was also thinking, in my experience, popular 'tri band' phones have the two upper bands (1900 and 1800) + either 850 or 900 depending on region.

So from the group; 
old phones, 
europe
850 band, 

i think we can choose two. :-(



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From lynxis at fe80.eu  Thu Dec 12 16:48:05 2019
From: lynxis at fe80.eu (Alexander 'lynxis' Couzens)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 17:48:05 +0100
Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] 850 mhz, 2600 mhz, no 1800
In-Reply-To: <20191211220951.GA20144@my.box>
References: <20191210205153.667729f3@lazus.yip>
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Message-ID: <20191212174805.77b6a794@lazus.yip>

On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 23:09:51 +0100
Neels Hofmeyr <nhofmeyr at sysmocom.de> wrote:

> > How should we use the 850 band?
> > Should we use it for GSM? UMTS? Or both? Like GSM in the edges,
> > UMTS in the middle?  
> 
> I think for many participants, using the GSM with old phones is the
> modus operandi. Sure, many use dual-SIM smart phones, but from a
> point of view of allowing the most devices to participate, I would
> prefer to have 2G instead of only a 3G net. My plan is explicitly to
> again service voice to old phones that don't speak AMR, and
> completely switching off 2G would be a step in the opposite
> direction, probably a disappointment to many participants. It's sad
> to do it, but if we have to, let's rather switch off 3G.
> 
> Much nicer would be to have spectrum for both. Can we try to ask
> around some more? 

It's too late for that.
I'ven't heared back from Telekom, but given the date, I don't think we
can get anything this year.

> Did they say why they can't / will not allow it?

Yes. We seemed to be out-of-luck here. Telefonica changed in Q4/2019
their local spectrum usage. They use their complete 1800 spectrum for
one LTE carrier at 20 Mhz.

> Seems to me that limited use inside Leipzig Messe for a few days
> hardly interferes with their network...

That worked last year, they allowed us to use it with limited power.
We can not speak for our guest, if they misuse the spectrum. But we can
not allow official misuse in there. We're there as part of the
congress, if we misuse, we will loose the access to spectrum and our
good reputation.

Sorry, no 1800 this year.

> Would you like me to help with that, does it make sense if I also try
> to contact operators somehow, or would it just interfere with your
> contacts? ... I have no idea how I would reach the right people, but
> I could certainly try.

I think it's too late for this year. However, we should be well
coordinated if we talk with companies.

For Telefonica, we already have a good and helpful contact, so I would
not like to ask them from another side.

For Deutsche Telekom, we should talk to Frank first. Maybe he can tell
us or ask, why we didn't got it. If it's possible to improve.

For Vodafone, do we have a contact there? I remember at one of the
congress in Hamburg, they gave us the frequencies. Maybe Harald can
tell us more?


Best,
lynxis

PS: The frequencies and who licenses what
https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Sachgebiete/Telekommunikation/Unternehmen_Institutionen/Frequenzen/OffentlicheNetze/Mobilfunk/DrahtloserNetzzugang/Projekt2016/Frequenzen700bis1800_pdf.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=3

-- 
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From nhofmeyr at sysmocom.de  Thu Dec 12 21:00:31 2019
From: nhofmeyr at sysmocom.de (Neels Hofmeyr)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 22:00:31 +0100
Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] 850 mhz, 2600 mhz, no 1800
In-Reply-To: <47B27B5C-89A3-4120-BFD6-A8E2745CB7D2@rhizomatica.org>
References: <20191210205153.667729f3@lazus.yip>
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On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 09:48:17AM +0000, Keith Whyte wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> >>I think for many participants, using the GSM with old phones is the modus
> operandi.
> 
> 
> >How many of those old 2G device will support 850 though ?
> >
> 
> This is what i was also thinking, in my experience, popular 'tri band' phones have the two upper bands (1900 and 1800) + either 850 or 900 depending on region.

There you can see how much I (don't) know about spectrum.
Hrgn, can't we somehow have a way to still get an 1800 band running?

> So from the group; 
> old phones, 
> europe
> 850 band, 
> 
> i think we can choose two. :-(

I don't grok why that is, but if I can choose old phones and europe that would be fine.
But you are saying, since we have 850 band, there is only one more choice left after that?
I don't know really, I just know I would be a bit ruffled about not servicing old phones.

~N
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From holger at layer-acht.org  Thu Dec 12 21:15:59 2019
From: holger at layer-acht.org (Holger Levsen)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 21:15:59 +0000
Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] 850 mhz, 2600 mhz, no 1800
In-Reply-To: <20191212210031.GB20144@my.box>
References: <20191210205153.667729f3@lazus.yip>
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On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 10:00:31PM +0100, Neels Hofmeyr wrote:
> I don't know really, I just know I would be a bit ruffled about not servicing old phones.

of course I don't know either (*), but I would guess that most people could
live with that *if* we announce this well in advance, so that people can
bring some old smartphones, instead of old featurephones.

(*) but we do have stats from camp and 35c3, don't we? :)


-- 
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	Holger

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From lynxis at fe80.eu  Sun Dec 15 19:21:02 2019
From: lynxis at fe80.eu (Alexander 'lynxis' Couzens)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 20:21:02 +0100
Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] 850 mhz, 2600 mhz, no 1800
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On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 21:15:59 +0000
Holger Levsen <holger at layer-acht.org> wrote:

> of course I don't know either (*), but I would guess that most people
> could live with that *if* we announce this well in advance, so that
> people can bring some old smartphones, instead of old featurephones.

someone up for writing the blog post?

> (*) but we do have stats from camp and 35c3, don't we? :)

no. those statistics (or better features, which are send in some of the
message) are not collected at all.

-- 
Alexander Couzens

mail: lynxis at fe80.eu
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From nhofmeyr at sysmocom.de  Mon Dec 16 14:13:05 2019
From: nhofmeyr at sysmocom.de (Neels Hofmeyr)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 15:13:05 +0100
Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] 850 mhz, 2600 mhz, no 1800
In-Reply-To: <20191215202102.1c748c8f@lazus.yip>
References: <20191210205153.667729f3@lazus.yip>
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On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 08:21:02PM +0100, Alexander 'lynxis' Couzens wrote:
> someone up for writing the blog post?

I could do that. But what exactly are we going to say, have we decided yet
whether to run US-2G or 3G and/or LTE? Are we able to try CSFB?

Blog: in both English and German?
How/where to post?

~N
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From holger at layer-acht.org  Mon Dec 16 16:15:23 2019
From: holger at layer-acht.org (Holger Levsen)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 16:15:23 +0000
Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] 850 mhz, 2600 mhz, no 1800
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References: <20191210205153.667729f3@lazus.yip>
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On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 03:13:05PM +0100, Neels Hofmeyr wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 08:21:02PM +0100, Alexander 'lynxis' Couzens wrote:
> > someone up for writing the blog post?
> I could do that. But what exactly are we going to say, have we decided yet
> whether to run US-2G or 3G and/or LTE? Are we able to try CSFB?

I don't think this is (fully) clear yet, or?

> Blog: in both English and German?
> How/where to post?

I'd suggest to write it in English in some pad, as then translation to German
is easier and possibly can be delegated. lynxis managed to get a post on
events.ccc.de for the camp, so I assume he'll know how to post also.


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From nhofmeyr at sysmocom.de  Tue Dec 17 14:48:39 2019
From: nhofmeyr at sysmocom.de (Neels Hofmeyr)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 15:48:39 +0100
Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] Blog
In-Reply-To: <20191216161523.cyxngi2e42zy7lxi@layer-acht.org>
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Hier EN und DE, wei? nicht in welchen Pad das k?nnte/sollte, also einfach mal
hier per Mail; lynxis, liest du es nochmal durch und ver?ffentlichst?

~N

EN:

GSM News

Like every year, the GSM team will run our own local cellular network alongside
the POC's DECT. Like every year, it is a struggle to get permission to use
spectrum, which is completely sold out to commercial operators. This year, it
turns out that we will not be able to use any ARFCNs in the EU GSM (1800 kHz)
band. This is a bit of a disappointment since we were planning to fully support
voice calls on very old mobile phones again, which we previously sacrificed in
order to be able to run a 3G setup: Osmocom's codec negotiation towards SIP has
seen a major improvement, and we were all hyped and ready to test that. Only,
we were not able to negotiate 2G EU band spectrum from any of the commercial
operators this year. Let us plug here once more how unfortunate it is that all
of the cellular spectrum is sold out to commercial stakeholders, and that an
ideal world would put aside at least a few ARFCNs for public use.

We were able to get permission to use ARFCNs on the 850 kHZ band (which we
typically use for US-band 3G) and on the 1700 kHz LTE band.

The decision is not final yet, but we are likely to run 3G alongside an LTE
network. It is quite possible that, contrary to our plans, this year will not
see any 2G network operated at all. This means that your old Nokia may not be
able to operate at 36c3, and if you still have some unused feature phone that
is able to do 3G, you should certainly bring it along.

Also, as always, if you can, bring your SIM cards from previous CCC events.
All of them will be able to operate, and you are helping us by needing less new
SIM cards being manufactured.

Looking forward to calling you in Leipzig, soon!


DE:

Neues vom GSM

Wie jedes Jahr wird das GSM Team ein eigenes Funktelefon-Netz neben POCs DECT
aufbauen. Wie jedes Jahr ist es wieder gro?es Fingern?gel-Kauen um Erlaubnis zu
bekommen, Spektrum daf?r zu nutzen, das ja vollst?ndig an kommerzielle
Betreiber verscherbelt ist. Dieses Jahr stellt sich heraus, dass wir gar kein
EU GSM (1800 kHz) Band nutzen d?rfen. Das ist ein wenig entt?uschend, weil wir
dieses Jahr vorhatten wieder Voice auf ganz alten Telefonen zu unterst?tzen,
das ja in den letzten Events f?r das 3G Setup geopfert worden war: Osmocom's
Codec-Aushandlung mit SIP hat eine dramatische Verbesserung erfahren, und wir
waren drauf und dran das dieses Jahr zu testen.  Nur haben wir jetzt von keinem
kommerziellen Betreiber die Erlaubnis bekommen, 2G EU Band zu nutzen. Lasst uns
hier erneut pluggen wie traurig es ist, dass alles Mobilfunk-Spektrum and
kommerzielle Betreiber lizensiert ist, und dass in einer idealen Welt zumindest
ein paar ARFCNs f?r die ?ffentlichkeit beiseite gelegt worden w?ren.

Wir haben allerdings Erlaubnis bekommen, ARFCNs im 850 kHz Band (das wir
gew?hnlich f?r US-Band 3G nutzen) und im LTE 1700 kHz Band zu nutzen.

Die Entscheidung ist noch nicht final, aber es sieht so aus dass wir 3G und LTE
Netze aufstellen werden. Es ist momentan sehr wahrscheinlich, dass wir,
entgegen unserem Plan, dieses Jahr gar kein 2G Netz betreiben werden. Das
bedeutet, dass eure alten Nokias am 36c3 wahrscheinlich ?berhaupt gar nicht
funktionieren werden, und dass ihr, falls vorhanden, definitiv unbenutzte
3G-f?hige Telefone mit einstecken solltet.

Au?erdem, wie immer, bringt SIM-Karten von vorigen CCC Events wieder mit. Alle
bisherigen SIM Karten werden wieder funktionieren, und ihr helft uns dabei,
weniger neue SIM-Karten produzieren zu m?ssen.

Freu'n uns schon auf einen Anruf, bald in Leipzig!
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From nhofmeyr at sysmocom.de  Tue Dec 17 15:00:13 2019
From: nhofmeyr at sysmocom.de (Neels Hofmeyr)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 16:00:13 +0100
Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] Blog
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s/kHz/MHz/g

A pad / wiki page would be better to edit

I put it here now with the kHz bug fixed:
https://osmocom.org/projects/osmo-dev-con/wiki/36C3

It's not really the best place, but it is one that most of us should have
direct access to. Let's remove it once this is through.

~N
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From keith at rhizomatica.org  Tue Dec 17 16:06:51 2019
From: keith at rhizomatica.org (Keith)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 17:06:51 +0100
Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] Blog
In-Reply-To: <20191217144839.GA6018@my.box>
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Hi Neels,

thanks for writing that up!

I'd rather make small comments here than edit the wiki


On 17/12/2019 15:48, Neels Hofmeyr wrote:
> Osmocom's codec negotiation towards SIP has
> seen a major improvement, and we were all hyped and ready to test that. Only,
> we were not able to negotiate 2G EU band spectrum from any of the commercial
> operators this year.

minor, but beginning a sentence with Only sounds weird to me.

I'd simply write:

....we were all hyped and ready to test that only we were not able to
negotiate 2G EU band spectrum...

or maybe more clear is:

...to test that. However, we cannot do so as we were not able...


> This means that your old Nokia may not be
> able to operate at 36c3, and if you still have some unused feature phone that
> is able to do 3G, you should certainly bring it along.

My 3G feature phones don't have band 5, only CDMA-2100 :-(


> Also, as always, if you can, bring your SIM cards from previous CCC events.
> All of them will be able to operate, and you are helping us by needing less new
> SIM cards being manufactured.

My spare band 5 3G phone has 4FF SIM slots and my event SIM cards are
3FF, however, I have 4FF SJS1, but I'm not sure how to calculate OPc





From holger at layer-acht.org  Fri Dec 20 19:10:26 2019
From: holger at layer-acht.org (Holger Levsen)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 19:10:26 +0000
Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] list of nano 3g for 36c3
Message-ID: <20191220191026.3qtqn5eharj7t4k6@layer-acht.org>

hi,

100 defekt - broken rj45
101 defekt???
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-- 
cheers,
	Holger

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From bibor at syscallofduty.org  Fri Dec 20 19:41:56 2019
From: bibor at syscallofduty.org (bibor)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 20:41:56 +0100
Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] Meeting Tomorrow
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sorry, initially sent from wrong address.

Hi,

tomorrow, 21st December at 20:00 CET will be our last pre-congress
mumble. Hope to see you at lassul.us. People who are already in Leipzig
will meet somewhere at the Messe to join the call together.

gr bibor


From lynxis at fe80.eu  Sat Dec 21 18:41:52 2019
From: lynxis at fe80.eu (Alexander 'lynxis' Couzens)
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2019 19:41:52 +0100
Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] Fw: Postpone Meeting to 21:00 CET
Message-ID: <20191221194152.4de7569b@lazus.yip>



Begin forwarded message:

Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2019 19:40:40 +0100
From: lassulus at lassul.us
To: lynxis at fe80.eu
Subject: Postpone Meeting to 21:00 CET


Hello everyone,
We would like to postpone the meeting to 21:00 CET because of food at
36c3.


-- 
Alexander Couzens

mail: lynxis at fe80.eu
jabber: lynxis at fe80.eu
gpg: 390D CF78 8BF9 AA50 4F8F  F1E2 C29E 9DA6 A0DF 8604


From lynxis at fe80.eu  Fri Dec 27 01:52:04 2019
From: lynxis at fe80.eu (Alexander 'lynxis' Couzens)
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2019 02:52:04 +0100
Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] 36c3 merch reservation (today 17:30)
Message-ID: <20191227025204.1059a97a@lazus.yip>

please add yourself for merch reservation at https://gsm.pads.ccc.de/42
deadline: day1 17:30 (today!)

-- 
Alexander Couzens

mail: lynxis at fe80.eu
jabber: lynxis at fe80.eu
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From lynxis at fe80.eu  Fri Dec 27 13:20:25 2019
From: lynxis at fe80.eu (Alexander 'lynxis' Couzens)
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2019 14:20:25 +0100
Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] 36c3 merch reservation (today 17:30)
In-Reply-To: <20191227025204.1059a97a@lazus.yip>
References: <20191227025204.1059a97a@lazus.yip>
Message-ID: <20191227142025.5dae037a@lazus.yip>

On Fri, 27 Dec 2019 02:52:04 +0100
Alexander 'lynxis' Couzens <lynxis at fe80.eu> wrote:

> please add yourself for merch reservation at
> https://gsm.pads.ccc.de/42 deadline: day1 17:30 (today!)
> 

password is umtsfoobar2342

-- 
Alexander Couzens

mail: lynxis at fe80.eu
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