From laforge at gnumonks.org  Sun Nov 27 20:18:25 2016
From: laforge at gnumonks.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 21:18:25 +0100
Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] GSM or other cellular networks at 33C3
Message-ID: <20161127201825.7tnv4ypdcqamx64x@nataraja>

Dear list members,

unfortuantely it is only now that we (the CCC) have the final approval
from a German operator to use part of their licensed spectrum during
33C3 in Hamburg.  We are talking about a full 10 MHz chunk in the 1800
MHz spectrum here.  Thanks a lot to Frank for getting this organized.

What still needs to be done is to take that approval to BNetzA and get a
license issued.  This should still be possible in the time that's left.

However, now the big question is if anyone here still has an intreest to
run a GSM/GPRS network at 33C3, particularly given the short lead time.

If you want to volunteer to work on this, please state it *NOW*.  If
three is insufficient volunteers/support within the next few days, we
probably plan and announce there will *not* be any test netwokr like in
previous years.

Also, the time is insufficient for getting 33C3 SIM-cards printed.  So
the question is to either only work with the cards that people might
have from previous events - or to go with sysmocom printed cards.  I
don't really feel so great as they contain marketing/advertisement for
sysmocom as a company - clearly not something that belongs to 33C3, and
particularly not for something people have to buy :/

Given the large spectrum, there's also an option for 3G or LTE.
However, at least in Osmocom we have no software stack for LTE yet.  3G
might be an option for experiments, but we don't have a lot of cells and
can thus not cover the full congress center.  I would love to use the
opportunity to play with 3G/3.5G at the event.  We cannot announce this
as a big public test network though, not from capacity nor coverage nor
software maturity point of view, I think.

Regards,
	Harald
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From push at ninja-netz.de  Sun Nov 27 21:07:14 2016
From: push at ninja-netz.de (Ulrich Kalloch)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 22:07:14 +0100
Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] GSM or other cellular networks at 33C3
In-Reply-To: <20161127201825.7tnv4ypdcqamx64x@nataraja>
References: <20161127201825.7tnv4ypdcqamx64x@nataraja>
Message-ID: <00EA6EB0-3440-4FC1-B0F6-C685EB7BC249@ninja-netz.de>

I am more than happy to say i am in. 

And more ...

A room in the Congress is reserved, not the same but maybe the VOC room from last year ... the orga says me 

I am in stand by from the 16.12. To do orga stuff in Berlin for the Congress. 

Regards 

Ulli aka Sokrates 

Am 27. November 2016 21:18:25 MEZ, schrieb Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>:
>Dear list members,
>
>unfortuantely it is only now that we (the CCC) have the final approval
>from a German operator to use part of their licensed spectrum during
>33C3 in Hamburg.  We are talking about a full 10 MHz chunk in the 1800
>MHz spectrum here.  Thanks a lot to Frank for getting this organized.
>
>What still needs to be done is to take that approval to BNetzA and get
>a
>license issued.  This should still be possible in the time that's left.
>
>However, now the big question is if anyone here still has an intreest
>to
>run a GSM/GPRS network at 33C3, particularly given the short lead time.
>
>If you want to volunteer to work on this, please state it *NOW*.  If
>three is insufficient volunteers/support within the next few days, we
>probably plan and announce there will *not* be any test netwokr like in
>previous years.
>
>Also, the time is insufficient for getting 33C3 SIM-cards printed.  So
>the question is to either only work with the cards that people might
>have from previous events - or to go with sysmocom printed cards.  I
>don't really feel so great as they contain marketing/advertisement for
>sysmocom as a company - clearly not something that belongs to 33C3, and
>particularly not for something people have to buy :/
>
>Given the large spectrum, there's also an option for 3G or LTE.
>However, at least in Osmocom we have no software stack for LTE yet.  3G
>might be an option for experiments, but we don't have a lot of cells
>and
>can thus not cover the full congress center.  I would love to use the
>opportunity to play with 3G/3.5G at the event.  We cannot announce this
>as a big public test network though, not from capacity nor coverage nor
>software maturity point of view, I think.
>
>Regards,
>	Harald
>-- 
>- Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>          
>http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
>============================================================================
>"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
>                                             (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)

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From 246tnt at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 21:26:10 2016
From: 246tnt at gmail.com (Sylvain Munaut)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 22:26:10 +0100
Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] GSM or other cellular networks at 33C3
In-Reply-To: <20161127201825.7tnv4ypdcqamx64x@nataraja>
References: <20161127201825.7tnv4ypdcqamx64x@nataraja>
Message-ID: <CAHL+j08bH=fY76v=fOEssY-+fui_U4ZeiDMsfGfQ1qcgyiNeWw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,


> However, now the big question is if anyone here still has an intreest to
> run a GSM/GPRS network at 33C3, particularly given the short lead time.

I guess the voice call stuff is pretty well tested now and used in
prod for years ...
What about data ?

Of course that would depend on hw available, dual trx would be best for that.


> If you want to volunteer to work on this, please state it *NOW*.  If
> three is insufficient volunteers/support within the next few days, we
> probably plan and announce there will *not* be any test netwokr like in
> previous years.

Given I didn't expect it, I'm only getting to the venue on the 26th
(Day 0) at around 13h.

When I arrive I'm definitely up to help set things up if we're doing
this. Given experience from previous years, we're starting to get good
at setting up the BTS fairly quickly (if they didn't change the layout
too much). The trick is mostly to find the right CCC people to open
the right doors at the right time :p

Of course there is also all the prep work done before the congress, I
was never involved in that so no idea how much work it is and if there
is someone interested to do it.


> Also, the time is insufficient for getting 33C3 SIM-cards printed.

How about blank (no print) ones ?

Do we have stats for re-used sim vs new ones from old congress ? I
suspect that many people don't bring them so without SIM, it might not
be worth it.


> Given the large spectrum, there's also an option for 3G or LTE.
> However, at least in Osmocom we have no software stack for LTE yet.  3G
> might be an option for experiments, but we don't have a lot of cells and
> can thus not cover the full congress center.  I would love to use the
> opportunity to play with 3G/3.5G at the event.  We cannot announce this
> as a big public test network though, not from capacity nor coverage nor
> software maturity point of view, I think.

With 10 MHz I guess one doesn't exclude the other.

Cheers,

   Sylvain