From laforge at gnumonks.org  Wed Dec  7 16:55:57 2016
From: laforge at gnumonks.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 17:55:57 +0100
Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] Update on 33C3 GSM network plans
Message-ID: <20161207165556.dhwkd7cbzdi6ddbv@nataraja>

Dear all,

So far it didn't look like anyone but Ulli has volunteered, so I told
Frank Rieger @ CCC that there likely wouldn't be any network.

In recent days hoever, lynxis (aka Alexander Couzens) has indicated that
he would also like to volunteer and even has some friends who also would
want to help out.  This makes it more realistic that there might be a
network, after all.  Also, apparently Jan has confirmed interest in
helping out.

Please coordinate amongst each other here on the list and see who can do
what.  I am not part of the team, so please organize it the way you see
fit and don't wait for me to take any action.  I will be attendign the
event, and will be available in case of 'emergencies' [technical or in
terms of knowing the CCC folks to ask to get something done].

Some starting points:

= Equipment =

* BTSs were offered from Daniel Brune
* few (2-3) can also be provided by sysmocom
* BSC/NITB box: please check with Peter for the machine used in the
  past years, or organize a different rack-mount server that you can put
  in the NOC

= Frequencies =

* DTAG has provided 6 ARFCN in GSM 1800, *not* in the former DECT guard
  band
* letter/application to BNetzA to get the experiemntal license on those
  DTAG frequencies has been submitted 

= SIM Cards =

* there was not enoguh time left between the spectrum confirmation and
  the event to print 33c3 sim cards this year!
* we hve some 500-800 sim cards from former events left at sysmocom
  which can be used
* there should be a public call to everyone to bring cards from former
  events
* we also have more than 4000 sysmocom-labelled cards in stock, but I
  don't like the idea to seem like sysmocom is doing advertisement at
  the event.  Up to the team if you would want to use those.  If you do
  want to, please make sure you run this by the POC and the event
  organization to get their approval.

= Wiki =

please make sure you get write permission for the "GSM" page on the
event wiki soon, in order to inform the attendees on whether or not
there will be a network, how to use it, that they should bring old sim
cards if possible in any way, etc.

Good luck!

Regards,
	Harald
-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>           http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)


From jluebbe at lasnet.de  Wed Dec  7 19:29:05 2016
From: jluebbe at lasnet.de (Jan Luebbe)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2016 20:29:05 +0100
Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] Update on 33C3 GSM network plans
In-Reply-To: <20161207165556.dhwkd7cbzdi6ddbv@nataraja>
References: <20161207165556.dhwkd7cbzdi6ddbv@nataraja>
Message-ID: <1481138945.24964.3.camel@lasnet.de>

On Wed, 2016-12-07 at 17:55 +0100, Harald Welte wrote:
> Also, apparently Jan has confirmed interest in helping out.

Similar to last year, I'd be able help with the physical setup late on
the 26th and with teardown on the 30th. For the rest of the event, I
have other stuff already planned.

Regards,
Jan


From schneider at xtort.eu  Wed Dec  7 21:51:58 2016
From: schneider at xtort.eu (schneider)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 22:51:58 +0100
Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] Update on 33C3 GSM network plans
In-Reply-To: <1481138945.24964.3.camel@lasnet.de>
References: <20161207165556.dhwkd7cbzdi6ddbv@nataraja>
 <1481138945.24964.3.camel@lasnet.de>
Message-ID: <82c48716-f410-7dd7-6594-51d0e66d76df@xtort.eu>

I've got absolutely no experience in running a GSM network, but I'd
certainly be available between the 26th and the 31st.

Regards
schneider


On 12/07/2016 08:29 PM, Jan Luebbe wrote:
> On Wed, 2016-12-07 at 17:55 +0100, Harald Welte wrote:
>> Also, apparently Jan has confirmed interest in helping out.
> 
> Similar to last year, I'd be able help with the physical setup late on
> the 26th and with teardown on the 30th. For the rest of the event, I
> have other stuff already planned.
> 
> Regards,
> Jan
> 


From nhofmeyr at sysmocom.de  Wed Dec  7 22:31:09 2016
From: nhofmeyr at sysmocom.de (Neels Hofmeyr)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 23:31:09 +0100
Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] Update on 33C3 GSM network plans
In-Reply-To: <20161207165556.dhwkd7cbzdi6ddbv@nataraja>
References: <20161207165556.dhwkd7cbzdi6ddbv@nataraja>
Message-ID: <20161207223109.GA30277@my.box>

As of today it looks like I'll also be at the Congress, and would like to offer
my help. I've gathered some expertise on Osmocom in the past year that might be
useful.

I also have a stack of fifty or so completely blank (white) SIM cards in a
drawer at the office which seem to be available. We use them for 3G testing at
the moment, but they'll be quite obsolete once the VLR is implemented.

I don't aim to take over the "lead", has anyone else done so yet?
Anyway, feel free to assign a task / tasks to me.

Another question is: to setup GSM, should we be in Hamburg early? So far I'm
planning on arrival on the 27th. Let me know if early arrival/late departure
would help at all.

~Neels

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From kevredon at mail.tsaitgaist.info  Thu Dec  8 08:25:27 2016
From: kevredon at mail.tsaitgaist.info (=?iso-8859-1?Q?K=E9vin?= Redon)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 09:25:27 +0100
Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] Update on 33C3 GSM network plans
In-Reply-To: <20161207165556.dhwkd7cbzdi6ddbv@nataraja>
References: <20161207165556.dhwkd7cbzdi6ddbv@nataraja>
Message-ID: <20161208082527.GA24941@coil>

I'll be there from 26th to 30th evening and happy to help setting it up, tearing it down, and reprogramming the SIM.

On Wed, Dec 07, 2016 at 05:55:57PM +0100, Harald Welte wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> So far it didn't look like anyone but Ulli has volunteered, so I told
> Frank Rieger @ CCC that there likely wouldn't be any network.
> 
> In recent days hoever, lynxis (aka Alexander Couzens) has indicated that
> he would also like to volunteer and even has some friends who also would
> want to help out.  This makes it more realistic that there might be a
> network, after all.  Also, apparently Jan has confirmed interest in
> helping out.
> 
> Please coordinate amongst each other here on the list and see who can do
> what.  I am not part of the team, so please organize it the way you see
> fit and don't wait for me to take any action.  I will be attendign the
> event, and will be available in case of 'emergencies' [technical or in
> terms of knowing the CCC folks to ask to get something done].
> 
> Some starting points:
> 
> = Equipment =
> 
> * BTSs were offered from Daniel Brune
> * few (2-3) can also be provided by sysmocom
> * BSC/NITB box: please check with Peter for the machine used in the
>   past years, or organize a different rack-mount server that you can put
>   in the NOC
> 
> = Frequencies =
> 
> * DTAG has provided 6 ARFCN in GSM 1800, *not* in the former DECT guard
>   band
> * letter/application to BNetzA to get the experiemntal license on those
>   DTAG frequencies has been submitted 
> 
> = SIM Cards =
> 
> * there was not enoguh time left between the spectrum confirmation and
>   the event to print 33c3 sim cards this year!
> * we hve some 500-800 sim cards from former events left at sysmocom
>   which can be used
> * there should be a public call to everyone to bring cards from former
>   events
> * we also have more than 4000 sysmocom-labelled cards in stock, but I
>   don't like the idea to seem like sysmocom is doing advertisement at
>   the event.  Up to the team if you would want to use those.  If you do
>   want to, please make sure you run this by the POC and the event
>   organization to get their approval.
> 
> = Wiki =
> 
> please make sure you get write permission for the "GSM" page on the
> event wiki soon, in order to inform the attendees on whether or not
> there will be a network, how to use it, that they should bring old sim
> cards if possible in any way, etc.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Regards,
> 	Harald
> -- 
> - Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>           http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
> ============================================================================
> "Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
>                                                   (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)


From alexander.chemeris at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 08:47:45 2016
From: alexander.chemeris at gmail.com (Alexander Chemeris)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 11:47:45 +0300
Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] Update on 33C3 GSM network plans
In-Reply-To: <CABmJbFVeioyK+UA1EY_CueN2_JrsyBMMq3AUPED3-Q1ffBk3RQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20161207165556.dhwkd7cbzdi6ddbv@nataraja>
 <20161208082527.GA24941@coil>
 <CABmJbFVeioyK+UA1EY_CueN2_JrsyBMMq3AUPED3-Q1ffBk3RQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABmJbFWE-6sER4refy9patKZ3+WFT07XHGPgQSspZ_PMr42_DA@mail.gmail.com>

Sergey and I will be there from 26 afternoon to 30 evening and happy to
help.

Running a UMTS/LTE would be exciting, but I understand the decision is to
run a GSM network if any at all?

Please excuse typos. Written with a touchscreen keyboard.

--
Regards,
Alexander Chemeris
CEO Fairwaves, Inc.
https://fairwaves.co

On Dec 8, 2016 11:33 AM, "K?vin Redon" <kevredon at mail.tsaitgaist.info>
wrote:

I'll be there from 26th to 30th evening and happy to help setting it up,
tearing it down, and reprogramming the SIM.

On Wed, Dec 07, 2016 at 05:55:57PM +0100, Harald Welte wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> So far it didn't look like anyone but Ulli has volunteered, so I told
> Frank Rieger @ CCC that there likely wouldn't be any network.
>
> In recent days hoever, lynxis (aka Alexander Couzens) has indicated that
> he would also like to volunteer and even has some friends who also would
> want to help out.  This makes it more realistic that there might be a
> network, after all.  Also, apparently Jan has confirmed interest in
> helping out.
>
> Please coordinate amongst each other here on the list and see who can do
> what.  I am not part of the team, so please organize it the way you see
> fit and don't wait for me to take any action.  I will be attendign the
> event, and will be available in case of 'emergencies' [technical or in
> terms of knowing the CCC folks to ask to get something done].
>
> Some starting points:
>
> = Equipment =
>
> * BTSs were offered from Daniel Brune
> * few (2-3) can also be provided by sysmocom
> * BSC/NITB box: please check with Peter for the machine used in the
>   past years, or organize a different rack-mount server that you can put
>   in the NOC
>
> = Frequencies =
>
> * DTAG has provided 6 ARFCN in GSM 1800, *not* in the former DECT guard
>   band
> * letter/application to BNetzA to get the experiemntal license on those
>   DTAG frequencies has been submitted
>
> = SIM Cards =
>
> * there was not enoguh time left between the spectrum confirmation and
>   the event to print 33c3 sim cards this year!
> * we hve some 500-800 sim cards from former events left at sysmocom
>   which can be used
> * there should be a public call to everyone to bring cards from former
>   events
> * we also have more than 4000 sysmocom-labelled cards in stock, but I
>   don't like the idea to seem like sysmocom is doing advertisement at
>   the event.  Up to the team if you would want to use those.  If you do
>   want to, please make sure you run this by the POC and the event
>   organization to get their approval.
>
> = Wiki =
>
> please make sure you get write permission for the "GSM" page on the
> event wiki soon, in order to inform the attendees on whether or not
> there will be a network, how to use it, that they should bring old sim
> cards if possible in any way, etc.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Regards,
>       Harald
> --
> - Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>
http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
> ============================================================
================
> "Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
>                                                   (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch.
A6)
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From frank at ccc.de  Sun Dec 18 02:48:35 2016
From: frank at ccc.de (Frank Rieger)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 03:48:35 +0100
Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] BNetzA Zuteilungsschreiben
Message-ID: <03F99D81-D9F1-4FBD-AED6-3E7F1CACF326@ccc.de>

Hier die relevanten Seiten aus dem Schreiben.

Fr



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From peter at stuge.se  Sun Dec 18 14:25:49 2016
From: peter at stuge.se (Peter Stuge)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 14:25:49 +0000
Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] Update on 33C3 GSM network plans
In-Reply-To: <20161207165556.dhwkd7cbzdi6ddbv@nataraja>
References: <20161207165556.dhwkd7cbzdi6ddbv@nataraja>
Message-ID: <20161218142549.GM21523@foo.stuge.se>

Let's try again; I sent some emails back in November but apparently
they never reached the list. I assumed that mailman just would not
send me my own mails, but unfortunately noone else got them either. :\


Harald Welte wrote:
> Please coordinate amongst each other here on the list and see who can do
> what.

I arrive at CCH either evening of the 25th or morning of the 26th,
and will then start the usual process to get the GSM server set up
at NOC colocation and sort out the VLAN situation at least for room 12.

We share room 12 with POC backoffice this year, the room will be
available starting on the 25th, but not before.

This means that we should not expect to use all of the access switch.

Please bring a VLAN capable switch if you have one, and if you are
new to the GSM operation then it's helpful to prepare so that VLANs
are working reliably on your laptop before CCH.


Experience shows that NOC is busy with switch deployment well into
the 26th, which is a blocker for BTS deployment. BTSes can however be
prepared, configured and tested beforehand.

Like Harald I can help as liaison during setup as well as for corner
cases during the event.

But I can't help much with actual operations during the event. Depending
on ambition, it's good to have someone watching OpenBSC all the time.

I can present results and statistics in the Infrastructure Review talk
on the last day, but I will depend on someone else for gathering the
statistics from operation.

If someone else wants to do that presentation then please feel free!
If not then I'm happy to do it. I only ask to please let me know
before the 28th if you would like to do it.


The eventphone system has been online for about a month without GSM
extensions. If there will indeed be a network, and POC interop is
desired, then I would like to let them know before the event.


> = Equipment =
> 
> * BTSs were offered from Daniel Brune
> * few (2-3) can also be provided by sysmocom

* Antennas ?
* Amps (2W EIRP in license) ?

I am looking into a possible source of ip.access equipment, but have
nothing to report yet.

I invited some people who do fully open source LTE but they were
unable to attend. Maybe good, since we only got a few ARFCNs.


> * BSC/NITB box: please check with Peter for the machine used in the
>   past years

It comes online between late night 25th and noon 26th.


> = Frequencies =

In the end we got five: 1736,8 1737,2 1737,6 1738,0 and 1738,4 MHz

ARFCN = 512+(f-1710.2)/0.2, so that's ARFCNs 645, 647, 649, 651 and 653.


> * we hve some 500-800 sim cards from former events left at sysmocom
>   which can be used

That's good! I had forgotten about those.


> * there should be a public call to everyone to bring cards from former
>   events

I think it depends on the ambition and desired load. I would like to
coordinate with POC first, to hear what they have to say about interop,
since guru is already open without GSM.


> * we also have more than 4000 sysmocom-labelled cards in stock, but I
>   don't like the idea to seem like sysmocom is doing advertisement at
>   the event.

I for one do not find it acceptable to take money for these cards,
and I don't like how it looks to distribute them very openly.

But if sysmocom wants to donate some of them at their own discretion
to participants who are otherwise unable to do some experiments once
all old congress cards are sold out, then I think that's absolutely
fantastic and another very valuable contribution, but other than that
I do not really want to use them.


> = Wiki =

First step IMO coordinate with POC. I'll send them an email now.


//Peter


From lynxis at fe80.eu  Tue Dec 20 10:44:33 2016
From: lynxis at fe80.eu (Alexander Couzens)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 11:44:33 +0100
Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] Update on 33C3 GSM network plans
In-Reply-To: <20161218142549.GM21523@foo.stuge.se>
References: <20161207165556.dhwkd7cbzdi6ddbv@nataraja>
 <20161218142549.GM21523@foo.stuge.se>
Message-ID: <20161220114433.1986e48f@lazus.yip>

I've packed up the GSM stuff. 5x complete boards with bts + amp, 2x
board with duplexer only/2W BTS missing. Also some, but not many
simcards and 8x antennas (same as last year).

The equipment should arrive today or tomorrow in Hamburg.

best,
lynxis
-- 
Alexander Couzens

mail: lynxis at fe80.eu
jabber: lynxis at fe80.eu
mobile: +4915123277221
gpg: 390D CF78 8BF9 AA50 4F8F  F1E2 C29E 9DA6 A0DF 8604
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From osmocom at ngolde.de  Thu Dec 22 07:58:05 2016
From: osmocom at ngolde.de (Nico Golde)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 08:58:05 +0100
Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] Update on 33C3 GSM network plans
In-Reply-To: <20161207165556.dhwkd7cbzdi6ddbv@nataraja>
References: <20161207165556.dhwkd7cbzdi6ddbv@nataraja>
Message-ID: <20161222075805.GD9511@coredump>

Hi,
* Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org> [2016-12-07 19:01]:
> So far it didn't look like anyone but Ulli has volunteered, so I told
> Frank Rieger @ CCC that there likely wouldn't be any network.
> 
> In recent days hoever, lynxis (aka Alexander Couzens) has indicated that
> he would also like to volunteer and even has some friends who also would
> want to help out.  This makes it more realistic that there might be a
> network, after all.  Also, apparently Jan has confirmed interest in
> helping out.

I had less and less time for this over the last years and will again not 
really have time during the congress. I can borrow one nanoBTS though (without 
amplifier) if needed.

Cheers,
Nico
-- 
Nico Golde - XMPP: nion at jabber.ccc.de - GPG: 0xA0A0AAAA
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From lynxis at fe80.eu  Thu Dec 22 14:01:25 2016
From: lynxis at fe80.eu (Alexander Couzens)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 15:01:25 +0100
Subject: [osmocom-event-orga] Update on 33C3 GSM network plans
In-Reply-To: <20161222075805.GD9511@coredump>
References: <20161207165556.dhwkd7cbzdi6ddbv@nataraja>
 <20161222075805.GD9511@coredump>
Message-ID: <20161222150125.78efbb92@lazus.yip>

On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 08:58:05 +0100
Nico Golde <osmocom at ngolde.de> wrote:

> I had less and less time for this over the last years and will again
> not really have time during the congress. I can borrow one nanoBTS
> though (without amplifier) if needed.

Hi Nico,

it would be nice if you can do it. If you want to get it into the
event insurance, please mail me in private the serial number,
type, owner and if it's not a nanobts 165 the price of the nanobts.

When do you arrive?

best,
lynxis

PS. if you have some antennas, please bring them with you.
-- 
Alexander Couzens

mail: lynxis at fe80.eu
jabber: lynxis at fe80.eu
mobile: +4915123277221
gpg: 390D CF78 8BF9 AA50 4F8F  F1E2 C29E 9DA6 A0DF 8604
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