From laforge at gnumonks.org  Tue Nov  5 15:58:25 2013
From: laforge at gnumonks.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 16:58:25 +0100
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2014 / Date / Venue
Message-ID: <20131105155825.GK12353@nataraja.gnumonks.org>

Hi all,

time is moving fast, and I want to start some initial discussion and
planning for OsmoDevCon 2014.

There are basically four questions which I'm raising below.  Please
provide your feedback to the osmocom-event-orga mailing list only, to
avoid cross-posting over all the project lists.

= Who? =

My intention is to keep it an 'active developer/contributer only' event,
like we had it before.  I would also want to keep the group relatively
small, to keep the 'Osmocom family' atmosphere.

If desired, we could have one half or full day of public prsentations in
a larger auditorium, but the developer meeting should be a close group,
as known so far.


= Where? =

If we keep the number of attendees within the same range as this year,
then I'm sure we could again hold it at the same venue.   I know it is
not perfect, but it is a place that we have access to, 24 hours per day,
and free of cost for community projects like osmocom.org.

If the community wants a larger event, then this is something that would
require more funds and much more time organizing.  And that is something
that I personally could not offer to take care of, sorry.  I'm happy to
attend and support any larger events, but I'm unable to take care of
fundraising and venue research.


= When? =

Q1/2014.  In January, I'm not aware of any 'blocker' events.  February,
there is Fosdem (Feb 1 + Feb 2), and MWC from Feb 24 through Feb 27.  In
March there is CeBIT (March 10-14) and Easter holidays (with EasterHegg
March 17-21).  Did I miss any other FOSS / mobile event that might clash
in Q1?

So my preference woudl be to do it either late January (23-26) or in
February (6-9 or 13-16).  Any preferences regarding preferred schedule?
Once we have some concencus here on the list [and we want to do it in
the same size / venue], I'll talk to IN-Berlin.


= What? =

I think that question is easy to answer, if we have the above three
figured out...  There's no shortage of topics, I suppose.

You can start adding your suggestions to
http://openbsc.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/OsmoDevCon2014

Regards,
	Harald

-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>           http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
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"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)
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From alexander.chemeris at gmail.com  Tue Nov  5 21:34:57 2013
From: alexander.chemeris at gmail.com (Alexander Chemeris)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 01:34:57 +0400
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2014 / Date / Venue
In-Reply-To: <20131105155825.GK12353@nataraja.gnumonks.org>
References: <20131105155825.GK12353@nataraja.gnumonks.org>
Message-ID: <CABmJbFWVnPbkTRUvvB5sF5iQg0=Sfpv=t41jc_3P-P2soot+Jw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Harald,

On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org> wrote:
> = When? =
>
> Q1/2014.  In January, I'm not aware of any 'blocker' events.  February,
> there is Fosdem (Feb 1 + Feb 2), and MWC from Feb 24 through Feb 27.  In
> March there is CeBIT (March 10-14) and Easter holidays (with EasterHegg
> March 17-21).  Did I miss any other FOSS / mobile event that might clash
> in Q1?
>
> So my preference woudl be to do it either late January (23-26) or in
> February (6-9 or 13-16).  Any preferences regarding preferred schedule?
> Once we have some concencus here on the list [and we want to do it in
> the same size / venue], I'll talk to IN-Berlin.

Why not April like it was this year?

It gives a bit more headroom for a better preparation. Weather is also
much better in April in Berlin. :)

-- 
Regards,
Alexander Chemeris.
CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ??? ???????
http://fairwaves.ru



From 246tnt at gmail.com  Tue Nov  5 22:00:09 2013
From: 246tnt at gmail.com (Sylvain Munaut)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 23:00:09 +0100
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2014 / Date / Venue
In-Reply-To: <20131105155825.GK12353@nataraja.gnumonks.org>
References: <20131105155825.GK12353@nataraja.gnumonks.org>
Message-ID: <CAHL+j0_wDhMM_37Fwsj6U7FzTnONOctYY92JeYZmHmH9CRXf_w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

> My intention is to keep it an 'active developer/contributer only' event,
> like we had it before.  I would also want to keep the group relatively
> small, to keep the 'Osmocom family' atmosphere.

+1


> If we keep the number of attendees within the same range as this year,
> then I'm sure we could again hold it at the same venue.   I know it is
> not perfect, but it is a place that we have access to, 24 hours per day,
> and free of cost for community projects like osmocom.org.

I think the "who" will mostly depend on the "when". So maybe just put
the absolute "no go" dates and "preferred" dates for each interested
party on the wiki, then see what comes out of it ?


> = When? =
>
> Q1/2014.  In January, I'm not aware of any 'blocker' events.  February,
> there is Fosdem (Feb 1 + Feb 2), and MWC from Feb 24 through Feb 27.  In
> March there is CeBIT (March 10-14) and Easter holidays (with EasterHegg
> March 17-21).  Did I miss any other FOSS / mobile event that might clash
> in Q1?

There is Karlsruhe Workshop on Software Radio. (WSR) 2014 (March
12-13) that I'd like to attend (and horizon as well AFAIK).

And I actually wouldn't mind if I had osmodevcon and WSR back-to-back
to group my travel.

steve-m and Hoernchen also have uni stuff where 1-24 March would be
the only viable options.


Cheers,

    Sylvain



From laforge at gnumonks.org  Wed Nov  6 08:06:03 2013
From: laforge at gnumonks.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 09:06:03 +0100
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2014 / Date / Venue
In-Reply-To: <CAHL+j0_wDhMM_37Fwsj6U7FzTnONOctYY92JeYZmHmH9CRXf_w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20131105155825.GK12353@nataraja.gnumonks.org>
	<CAHL+j0_wDhMM_37Fwsj6U7FzTnONOctYY92JeYZmHmH9CRXf_w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20131106080603.GW12353@nataraja.gnumonks.org>

Hi Sylvain,

On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 11:00:09PM +0100, Sylvain Munaut wrote:

> > If we keep the number of attendees within the same range as this year,
> > then I'm sure we could again hold it at the same venue.   I know it is
> > not perfect, but it is a place that we have access to, 24 hours per day,
> > and free of cost for community projects like osmocom.org.
> 
> I think the "who" will mostly depend on the "when". So maybe just put
> the absolute "no go" dates and "preferred" dates for each interested
> party on the wiki, then see what comes out of it ?

We could do that, or use doodle.  I'm not sure if that's needed..

> > = When? =
> >
> > Q1/2014.  In January, I'm not aware of any 'blocker' events.  February,
> > there is Fosdem (Feb 1 + Feb 2), and MWC from Feb 24 through Feb 27.  In
> > March there is CeBIT (March 10-14) and Easter holidays (with EasterHegg
> > March 17-21).  Did I miss any other FOSS / mobile event that might clash
> > in Q1?
> 
> There is Karlsruhe Workshop on Software Radio. (WSR) 2014 (March
> 12-13) that I'd like to attend (and horizon as well AFAIK).

ok, thanks for noticing.  As it overlaps with CeBIT, I would have not
scheduled it at that time, anyway.

> And I actually wouldn't mind if I had osmodevcon and WSR back-to-back
> to group my travel.
> 
> steve-m and Hoernchen also have uni stuff where 1-24 March would be
> the only viable options.

My suggestion would be March 6 through 9 then, which is again thursday
through sunday and the IN Berlin rooms are still available:
https://user.in-berlin.de/vrkalender/view-schedule.php?sd=2014-3-6

Immediately before the WSR workshop (March 10 and 11), there are other
groups meeting there, as it is the case immediately after the WSR
workshop (March 14/17).

So my new suggestion would be: March 6 through 9.

-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>           http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)



From laforge at gnumonks.org  Wed Nov  6 08:43:54 2013
From: laforge at gnumonks.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 09:43:54 +0100
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2014 / Date / Venue
In-Reply-To: <CABmJbFWVnPbkTRUvvB5sF5iQg0=Sfpv=t41jc_3P-P2soot+Jw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20131105155825.GK12353@nataraja.gnumonks.org>
	<CABmJbFWVnPbkTRUvvB5sF5iQg0=Sfpv=t41jc_3P-P2soot+Jw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20131106084354.GX12353@nataraja.gnumonks.org>

Alexander,

On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 01:34:57AM +0400, Alexander Chemeris wrote:

> Why not April like it was this year?

Because last year was late.  In 2012 it was in March.

> It gives a bit more headroom for a better preparation.

You think >= 3 Months is not enough headroom? I consider that quite
comfortable.

> Weather is also much better in April in Berlin. :)

That's a myth, at least if you look at last years weather.  Also, we are
not planning any barbecues, hikes or other outdoor activity.

-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>           http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)



From ml at mail.tsaitgaist.info  Wed Nov  6 10:06:44 2013
From: ml at mail.tsaitgaist.info (Kevin Redon)
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 11:06:44 +0100
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2014 / Date / Venue
In-Reply-To: <20131105155825.GK12353@nataraja.gnumonks.org>
References: <20131105155825.GK12353@nataraja.gnumonks.org>
Message-ID: <1383732236-sup-5521@dennou>

Excerpts from Harald Welte's message of 2013-11-05 16:58:25 +0100:
> = Who? =
> 
> My intention is to keep it an 'active developer/contributer only' event,
> like we had it before.  I would also want to keep the group relatively
> small, to keep the 'Osmocom family' atmosphere.

I agree

> 
> If desired, we could have one half or full day of public prsentations in
> a larger auditorium, but the developer meeting should be a close group,
> as known so far.

That might be a good idea.
But regarding the attendance at the monthly osmocom meetings in Berlin, I don't expect lots of people to appear

> = When? =
> 
> Q1/2014.  In January, I'm not aware of any 'blocker' events.  February,
> there is Fosdem (Feb 1 + Feb 2), and MWC from Feb 24 through Feb 27.  In
> March there is CeBIT (March 10-14) and Easter holidays (with EasterHegg
> March 17-21).  Did I miss any other FOSS / mobile event that might clash
> in Q1?

If it's in berlin I have no fixed schedule yet for these date.
so any date fits for me

kevin



From alexander.chemeris at gmail.com  Wed Nov  6 11:52:53 2013
From: alexander.chemeris at gmail.com (Alexander Chemeris)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 15:52:53 +0400
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2014 / Date / Venue
In-Reply-To: <20131106084354.GX12353@nataraja.gnumonks.org>
References: <20131105155825.GK12353@nataraja.gnumonks.org>
	<CABmJbFWVnPbkTRUvvB5sF5iQg0=Sfpv=t41jc_3P-P2soot+Jw@mail.gmail.com>
	<20131106084354.GX12353@nataraja.gnumonks.org>
Message-ID: <CABmJbFXN+0vVMfGZHwKane1A8WswdAkEQRFAL48gtyov1TBg2w@mail.gmail.com>

March is a good option, as you propose.
I just didn't like January.

Please excuse typos. Written with a touchscreen keyboard.

--
Regards,
Alexander Chemeris
CEO/Founder Fairwaves LLC
http://fairwaves.ru
On Nov 6, 2013 1:21 PM, "Harald Welte" <laforge at gnumonks.org> wrote:

> Alexander,
>
> On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 01:34:57AM +0400, Alexander Chemeris wrote:
>
> > Why not April like it was this year?
>
> Because last year was late.  In 2012 it was in March.
>
> > It gives a bit more headroom for a better preparation.
>
> You think >= 3 Months is not enough headroom? I consider that quite
> comfortable.
>
> > Weather is also much better in April in Berlin. :)
>
> That's a myth, at least if you look at last years weather.  Also, we are
> not planning any barbecues, hikes or other outdoor activity.
>
> --
> - Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>
> http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
>
> ============================================================================
> "Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
>                                                   (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch.
> A6)
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From 246tnt at gmail.com  Wed Nov  6 19:41:08 2013
From: 246tnt at gmail.com (Sylvain Munaut)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 20:41:08 +0100
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2014 / Date / Venue
In-Reply-To: <20131106080603.GW12353@nataraja.gnumonks.org>
References: <20131105155825.GK12353@nataraja.gnumonks.org>
	<CAHL+j0_wDhMM_37Fwsj6U7FzTnONOctYY92JeYZmHmH9CRXf_w@mail.gmail.com>
	<20131106080603.GW12353@nataraja.gnumonks.org>
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Hi,

> So my new suggestion would be: March 6 through 9.

Sounds good to me.

Cheers,

    Sylvain



From peter at stuge.se  Thu Nov  7 03:33:39 2013
From: peter at stuge.se (Peter Stuge)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 04:33:39 +0100
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2014 / Date / Venue
In-Reply-To: <20131106080603.GW12353@nataraja.gnumonks.org>
References: <20131105155825.GK12353@nataraja.gnumonks.org>
	<CAHL+j0_wDhMM_37Fwsj6U7FzTnONOctYY92JeYZmHmH9CRXf_w@mail.gmail.com>
	<20131106080603.GW12353@nataraja.gnumonks.org>
Message-ID: <20131107033339.24647.qmail@stuge.se>

Harald Welte wrote:
> So my new suggestion would be: March 6 through 9.

+1


//Peter



From peter at stuge.se  Mon Nov 18 20:16:52 2013
From: peter at stuge.se (Peter Stuge)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 21:16:52 +0100
Subject: 30C3 review talk, and GPRS IPs
Message-ID: <20131118201652.2534.qmail@stuge.se>

Hi!

There will be an infrastructure review talk at 30C3 - do we want to
participate for a few minutes and what would we like to show or tell?

Last year there was some negative feedback about the word cloud with
SMS contents and indeed I too would be happy if we store/log less data.

It seems that we're past the point where the GSM network is seen as
merely a test by the participants and the stored data isn't getting
used after the fact anyway..

Oh and I've asked NOC for a /22 IP network (1024 IPs) for GPRS.
They've made no promise. Let's see. :)


//Peter



From osmocom at ngolde.de  Mon Nov 18 22:37:04 2013
From: osmocom at ngolde.de (Nico Golde)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 23:37:04 +0100
Subject: 30C3 review talk, and GPRS IPs
In-Reply-To: <20131118201652.2534.qmail@stuge.se>
References: <20131118201652.2534.qmail@stuge.se>
Message-ID: <20131118223704.GA15963@ngolde.de>

Hi,
* Peter Stuge <peter at stuge.se> [2013-11-18 21:20]:
> There will be an infrastructure review talk at 30C3 - do we want to
> participate for a few minutes and what would we like to show or tell?

I think it would be nice to do this again.

> Last year there was some negative feedback about the word cloud with
> SMS contents and indeed I too would be happy if we store/log less data.

How about going for some less sensitive data such as evaluating IMEIs and the 
distribution of vendors?

Cheers
Nico
-- 
Nico Golde - XMPP: nion at jabber.ccc.de - GPG: 0xA0A0AAAA



From peter at stuge.se  Tue Nov 19 03:34:20 2013
From: peter at stuge.se (Peter Stuge)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 04:34:20 +0100
Subject: 30C3 review talk, and GPRS IPs
In-Reply-To: <20131118223704.GA15963@ngolde.de>
References: <20131118201652.2534.qmail@stuge.se>
	<20131118223704.GA15963@ngolde.de>
Message-ID: <20131119033420.1436.qmail@stuge.se>

Hi,

Nico Golde wrote:
> * Peter Stuge <peter at stuge.se> [2013-11-18 21:20]:
> > There will be an infrastructure review talk at 30C3 - do we want to
> > participate for a few minutes and what would we like to show or tell?
> 
> I think it would be nice to do this again.

Me too.


> > Last year there was some negative feedback about the word cloud with
> > SMS contents and indeed I too would be happy if we store/log less data.
> 
> How about going for some less sensitive data such as evaluating IMEIs and
> the distribution of vendors?

That's a nice idea! Already simple usage counters would be fun too.
(Number of calls, number of SMS, number of GPRS packets or bytes.. :)


//Peter



From laforge at gnumonks.org  Thu Nov 21 15:26:25 2013
From: laforge at gnumonks.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:26:25 +0100
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2014 / Date / Venue
In-Reply-To: <CAHL+j09sVs+SpBBKrSsu6r0NhVKYsdep_GZ5hXdBNL8_PHJt7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20131105155825.GK12353@nataraja.gnumonks.org>
	<CAHL+j0_wDhMM_37Fwsj6U7FzTnONOctYY92JeYZmHmH9CRXf_w@mail.gmail.com>
	<20131106080603.GW12353@nataraja.gnumonks.org>
	<CAHL+j09sVs+SpBBKrSsu6r0NhVKYsdep_GZ5hXdBNL8_PHJt7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a979f6f1-4db4-459d-8bb2-7b202b8277ce@email.android.com>

FYI: I have just confirmed a booking for March 6 to March 9, 2014 with IN-Berlin.

I'll update the wiki once I'm back home later tonight.

Regards,
-- 
Sent from my mobile phone. Please excuse my brevity.



From stephane at shimaore.net  Fri Nov 22 10:40:32 2013
From: stephane at shimaore.net (stephane at shimaore.net)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:40:32 +0100
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2014 / Date / Venue
In-Reply-To: <CAHL+j09sVs+SpBBKrSsu6r0NhVKYsdep_GZ5hXdBNL8_PHJt7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20131105155825.GK12353@nataraja.gnumonks.org>
	<CAHL+j0_wDhMM_37Fwsj6U7FzTnONOctYY92JeYZmHmH9CRXf_w@mail.gmail.com>
	<20131106080603.GW12353@nataraja.gnumonks.org>
	<CAHL+j09sVs+SpBBKrSsu6r0NhVKYsdep_GZ5hXdBNL8_PHJt7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20131122104032.GA24978@shimaore.net>

Hello,

I'm also planning to attend if that's OK with everyone. My plans are to
write a A1<->SIP interface for osmocom, I put aside the last two weeks of
this year for that work, so should have code to show for Harald's
December 31 deadline ;)

S. (shimaore on freenode)

-- 
St?phane Alnet -- Telecom Artisan. OpenSource Advocate.
Development and integration for FreeSwitch, OpenSIPS, CouchDB, Node.js.
Mobile: +33643482771 - http://shimaore.net/ - https://github.com/shimaore/



From nico at ngolde.de  Mon Nov 18 21:54:20 2013
From: nico at ngolde.de (Nico Golde)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 22:54:20 +0100
Subject: 30C3 review talk, and GPRS IPs
In-Reply-To: <20131118201652.2534.qmail@stuge.se>
References: <20131118201652.2534.qmail@stuge.se>
Message-ID: <20131118215420.GP26456@ngolde.de>

Hi,
* Peter Stuge <peter at stuge.se> [2013-11-18 21:20]:
> There will be an infrastructure review talk at 30C3 - do we want to
> participate for a few minutes and what would we like to show or tell?

I think it would be nice to do this again.

> Last year there was some negative feedback about the word cloud with
> SMS contents and indeed I too would be happy if we store/log less data.

How about going for some less sensitive data such as evaluating IMEIs and the 
distribution of vendors?

Cheers
Nico
-- 
Nico Golde - XMPP: nion at jabber.ccc.de - GPG: 0xA0A0AAAA



From laforge at gnumonks.org  Fri Nov 22 15:45:56 2013
From: laforge at gnumonks.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:45:56 +0100
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2014 / Date / Venue
In-Reply-To: <20131122104032.GA24978@shimaore.net>
References: <20131105155825.GK12353@nataraja.gnumonks.org>
	<CAHL+j0_wDhMM_37Fwsj6U7FzTnONOctYY92JeYZmHmH9CRXf_w@mail.gmail.com>
	<20131106080603.GW12353@nataraja.gnumonks.org>
	<CAHL+j09sVs+SpBBKrSsu6r0NhVKYsdep_GZ5hXdBNL8_PHJt7w@mail.gmail.com>
	<20131122104032.GA24978@shimaore.net>
Message-ID: <20131122154556.GJ18191@nataraja.gnumonks.org>

Hi Stephane,
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:40:32AM +0100, stephane at shimaore.net wrote:
> I'm also planning to attend if that's OK with everyone. My plans are to
> write a A1<->SIP interface for osmocom, I put aside the last two weeks of
> this year for that work, so should have code to show for Harald's
> December 31 deadline ;)

I'm somewhat reluctant to write any acknowledgement here, particularly
not based on some announcement of future work.  Let's see how many
people applied on December 31st, and if there actually is some code
contribution that can be merged until then.

-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>           http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)



From laforge at gnumonks.org  Sat Nov 30 13:57:20 2013
From: laforge at gnumonks.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 14:57:20 +0100
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2014 / Date / Venue
In-Reply-To: <20131105155825.GK12353@nataraja.gnumonks.org>
References: <20131105155825.GK12353@nataraja.gnumonks.org>
Message-ID: <20131130135720.GI3133@nataraja.gnumonks.org>

Hi all,

just a kind reminder: So far only fairwaves, dieter, holger and me have
registered for OsmoDevCon 2014.

Please make sure to add your name to the list at
https://openbsc.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/OsmoDevCon2014 until December
31st (latest).  If you don't have a wiki account, ask somebody who has
one, apply for a wiki account or send an e-mail to me.

Regards,
	Harald
-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>           http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)