From holger at freyther.de  Mon Apr  1 08:50:10 2013
From: holger at freyther.de (Holger Hans Peter Freyther)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 10:50:10 +0200
Subject: RRLP and USSD (was Re: OsmoDevCon important information)
In-Reply-To: <20130331153520.15109.qmail@stuge.se>
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On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 05:35:20PM +0200, Peter Stuge wrote:

> It can be very interesting also without any slides. Maybe you could
> even show off some of the code.

Publishing the code would be nice.



From alexander.chemeris at gmail.com  Mon Apr  1 09:14:47 2013
From: alexander.chemeris at gmail.com (Alexander Chemeris)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 13:14:47 +0400
Subject: Video recording
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On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 1:27 AM, Andreas Eversberg <andreas at eversberg.eu> wrote:
> Alexander Chemeris wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Does anyone coming to the OsmoDevCon have a camera we could use?
>>
>> We'd love to handle video recording this year again, but we don't have
>> a camera we used to do video recording last year.
>>
> i can bring a camera. i just put that on my todo list...

Thank you!

What type of storage does it use (HDD, SD-cards, etc)? And how many
minutes could be stored on that storage in good quality?

Does anyone from local people have a tripod we could use?

--
Regards,
Alexander Chemeris.
CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ??? ???????
http://fairwaves.ru



From andreas at eversberg.eu  Mon Apr  1 09:54:07 2013
From: andreas at eversberg.eu (jolly)
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2013 11:54:07 +0200
Subject: Video recording
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Alexander Chemeris wrote:
>
> What type of storage does it use (HDD, SD-cards, etc)? And how many
> minutes could be stored on that storage in good quality?
>   
it uses mini-dv. on one tape it can store one hour non-hd video. i don't
have enough tapes, so i think it would be better to get some hd camera.
also tape handling and capturing is quite time intensive.





From alexander.chemeris at gmail.com  Mon Apr  1 10:01:39 2013
From: alexander.chemeris at gmail.com (Alexander Chemeris)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 14:01:39 +0400
Subject: Video recording
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On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 1:54 PM, jolly <andreas at eversberg.eu> wrote:
> Alexander Chemeris wrote:
>>
>> What type of storage does it use (HDD, SD-cards, etc)? And how many
>> minutes could be stored on that storage in good quality?
>>
> it uses mini-dv. on one tape it can store one hour non-hd video. i don't
> have enough tapes, so i think it would be better to get some hd camera.
> also tape handling and capturing is quite time intensive.

mini-dv is the very last option indeed. I'll see may be we could find
a camera here.

--
Regards,
Alexander Chemeris.
CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ??? ???????
http://fairwaves.ru



From alexander.chemeris at gmail.com  Mon Apr  1 15:04:43 2013
From: alexander.chemeris at gmail.com (Alexander Chemeris)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 19:04:43 +0400
Subject: OsmoDevCon important information
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On Mar 31, 2013 8:12 PM, "Alexander Chemeris" <alexander.chemeris at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>
wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 10:29:28AM +0400, Alexander Chemeris wrote:
> >> * It would be great to have an intro to the L2 layer. At least for
> >> Ivan and me a kickstart in this would be of great value.
> >
> > You're talking about LAPDm?  A general talk aobut LAPDm or specifically
> > the libosmocore implementation?  And if so, why?  Do you plan to do any
> > modifications in that area?  I thin L2 is quite boring once it has been
> > implemented and no bugs are visible...
>
> Yes, LAPDm. It's boring, but it's kind of a good thing to understand
> even if you don't need to implement it. Even if you consider it as a
> black box, you should know the properties of this black box.
>
> In OpenBTS LAPDm implementation is kind of buggy, so we'd like to know
> more about the way it's implemented in Osmocom and may be borrow some
> ideas.
>
> So, the ideal way I see it would be to have an overview of the way it
> operates with picks into the Osmocom code.
>

Also an interface between L2 and L3 in Osmocom is interesting topic for us
to see whether we could replace all lower levels of OpenBTS with Osmocom
implementation. Holger's aim at testing and general Osmocom community
openness appeals to me a lot. I'd love to see more Osmocom components to be
used in our version of OpenBTS.

Please excuse typos. Written with a touchscreen keyboard.

--
Regards,
Alexander Chemeris
CEO/Founder Fairwaves LLC
http://fairwaves.ru
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From Ivan.Kluchnikov at fairwaves.ru  Tue Apr  2 06:19:46 2013
From: Ivan.Kluchnikov at fairwaves.ru (Ivan Kluchnikov)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 10:19:46 +0400
Subject: PCU talk
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Hi all!

Does anybody have suggestions what topics about pcu and gprs will be
interesting to discuss?

Andreas, do you have plan for this talk?
I can prepare some topics.
For me will be interesting to discuss features which are not implemented in
osmo-pcu yet.


2013/3/31 Alexander Chemeris <alexander.chemeris at gmail.com>

> Andreas, Ivan,
>
> Have you decided who is doing which part of the PCU status update
> talk? At the wiki I still see "jolly?" as a speaker for the talk.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Alexander Chemeris.
> CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ??? ???????
> http://fairwaves.ru
>



-- 
Regards,
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From alexander.chemeris at gmail.com  Tue Apr  2 06:30:24 2013
From: alexander.chemeris at gmail.com (Alexander Chemeris)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 10:30:24 +0400
Subject: PCU talk
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Andres,

Have yo looked into the EDGE stuff? It would be great to hear an
overview of differences between GPRS and EDGE.

On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Ivan Kluchnikov
<Ivan.Kluchnikov at fairwaves.ru> wrote:
> Hi all!
>
> Does anybody have suggestions what topics about pcu and gprs will be
> interesting to discuss?
>
> Andreas, do you have plan for this talk?
> I can prepare some topics.
> For me will be interesting to discuss features which are not implemented in
> osmo-pcu yet.
>
>
> 2013/3/31 Alexander Chemeris <alexander.chemeris at gmail.com>
>>
>> Andreas, Ivan,
>>
>> Have you decided who is doing which part of the PCU status update
>> talk? At the wiki I still see "jolly?" as a speaker for the talk.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Alexander Chemeris.
>> CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ??? ???????
>> http://fairwaves.ru
>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Ivan Kluchnikov.
> http://fairwaves.ru



-- 
Regards,
Alexander Chemeris.
CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ??? ???????
http://fairwaves.ru



From andreas at eversberg.eu  Tue Apr  2 09:51:34 2013
From: andreas at eversberg.eu (jolly)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 11:51:34 +0200
Subject: PCU talk
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Alexander Chemeris wrote:
> Andres,
>
> Have yo looked into the EDGE stuff? It would be great to hear an
> overview of differences between GPRS and EDGE.
>
>   
hi alexander,

i would like to, but there is a problem. i suffer from a variant of
glossopobia, which causes me to avoid doing and preparing a talk.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossophobia

regards,

andreas




From laforge at gnumonks.org  Tue Apr  2 14:13:06 2013
From: laforge at gnumonks.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 16:13:06 +0200
Subject: PCU talk
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Hi Andreas,

On Tue, Apr 02, 2013 at 11:51:34AM +0200, jolly wrote:

> i would like to, but there is a problem. i suffer from a variant of
> glossopobia, which causes me to avoid doing and preparing a talk.

I think we can do something like schedule a discussion/conversation
durin which people can ask questions and you (and/or others) can give
responses/comments.

-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>           http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)



From Max.Suraev at fairwaves.ru  Tue Apr  2 17:56:48 2013
From: Max.Suraev at fairwaves.ru (=?UTF-8?B?4piO?=)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 19:56:48 +0200
Subject: OsmoDevCon important information
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References: <20130329200607.GX11570@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
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29.03.2013 21:06, Harald Welte ?????:

> == Talks / Workshops ==
> 
> I think the list of topics / talks / workshops is still relatively
> short.  I understand that nobody wants ot talk about stuff they don't
> consider new or exciitng.  However, if somebody has suggestions what
> topics they would want to _hear_ about, please send them as follow-up to
> this thread and I'll see if we can convince one of the experts on the
> subject to talk about it.
> 

Pardon the last-moment notice but it would be also great to learn more about
http://www.openimscore.org/ - how relevant it is to osmocom, any deployment
experience someone might have etc.


-- 
best regards,
Max, http://fairwaves.ru



From alexander.chemeris at gmail.com  Wed Apr  3 04:37:16 2013
From: alexander.chemeris at gmail.com (Alexander Chemeris)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 08:37:16 +0400
Subject: Video recording
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On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Alexander Chemeris
<alexander.chemeris at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 1:54 PM, jolly <andreas at eversberg.eu> wrote:
>> Alexander Chemeris wrote:
>>>
>>> What type of storage does it use (HDD, SD-cards, etc)? And how many
>>> minutes could be stored on that storage in good quality?
>>>
>> it uses mini-dv. on one tape it can store one hour non-hd video. i don't
>> have enough tapes, so i think it would be better to get some hd camera.
>> also tape handling and capturing is quite time intensive.
>
> mini-dv is the very last option indeed. I'll see may be we could find
> a camera here.

I hope we'll be able to bring an HD camera.

We still need a tripod. Could anyone bring one?

--
Regards,
Alexander Chemeris.
CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ??? ???????
http://fairwaves.ru



From laforge at gnumonks.org  Wed Apr  3 20:31:21 2013
From: laforge at gnumonks.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 22:31:21 +0200
Subject: openimscore (Re: OsmoDevCon important information)
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References: <20130329200607.GX11570@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
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Hi Max,

On Tue, Apr 02, 2013 at 07:56:48PM +0200, ? wrote:
> Pardon the last-moment notice but it would be also great to learn more about
> http://www.openimscore.org/ - how relevant it is to osmocom, any deployment
> experience someone might have etc.

to the best of my knowledge, most of what Fraunhofer FOKUS is doing
regarding LTE/IMS is called "open" but by no means open source.  They
simply use the term to "openwash" their projects.  "open" to them means
that it is available to everyone who can pay for it ;)

OpenIMScore seems to be the only exception to that rule in that it
actually is open source.

I have some contacts at the respective FOKUS group, if you want I can
send an intro mail.  But for OsmoDevCon it's too late, sorry.

Regards,
	Harald
-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>           http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)



From laforge at gnumonks.org  Wed Apr  3 20:31:58 2013
From: laforge at gnumonks.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 22:31:58 +0200
Subject: Video recording
In-Reply-To: <CABmJbFVG5pQ_1_QG9x2BUXyH5n_XOyQ2QNWguy0=8+HFyOW3xg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Alexander,

On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 08:37:16AM +0400, Alexander Chemeris wrote:
> We still need a tripod. Could anyone bring one?

I've seeen your request in the wiki, it's already in the box with my
other material to bring tomorrow.

Regards,
	Harald
-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>           http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)



From alexander.chemeris at gmail.com  Wed Apr  3 20:57:31 2013
From: alexander.chemeris at gmail.com (Alexander Chemeris)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 22:57:31 +0200
Subject: Video recording
In-Reply-To: <20130403203158.GY14147@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
References: <CABmJbFVGWhKyC+__KnYEY09qTdD4-VpmVAJmZP268p_n2PB58A@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 08:37:16AM +0400, Alexander Chemeris wrote:
>> We still need a tripod. Could anyone bring one?
>
> I've seeen your request in the wiki, it's already in the box with my
> other material to bring tomorrow.

Thanks.

--
Regards,
Alexander Chemeris.
CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ??? ???????
http://fairwaves.ru