From laforge at osmocom.org  Mon Nov  1 09:07:06 2021
From: laforge at osmocom.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2021 10:07:06 +0100
Subject: Catching missing #include of <endian.h>
In-Reply-To: <739a4397-5d7e-4fff-12cd-341a47c67f96@sysmocom.de>
References: <739a4397-5d7e-4fff-12cd-341a47c67f96@sysmocom.de>
Message-ID: <YX+uOiYAH6SB+JsJ@nataraja>

Hi Vadim,

On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 01:40:38AM +0300, Vadim Yanitskiy wrote:
> TL;DR, using OSMO_IS_{LITTLE,BIG}_ENDIAN macros without including the
> <osmocom/core/endian.h> header leads to empty struct definitions, and thus
> weird compiler warnings like 'struct `foo` has no member `bar`'.

I think a more "automatic" solution to catch those errors is to try to build
with -Wundef.  For libosmocore, there is currently some fall-out with EMBEDDED (we'd have to explicitly #define EMBEDDED 0 via autoconf).

The advantage of the -Wundef approach is that it should work for all such
'forgot to include a header defining a macro' use cases, and it doesn't require
an external tool for validation.  Just add -Wundef to our normal build flags.

-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at osmocom.org>            http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
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"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)


From nhofmeyr at sysmocom.de  Mon Nov  1 16:06:46 2021
From: nhofmeyr at sysmocom.de (Neels Hofmeyr)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2021 17:06:46 +0100
Subject: OSMO-MSC External MNCC integration with FeeSwitch
In-Reply-To: <8BA04012-AA2A-4247-9D1C-3ECB0DB9F8C4@gmail.com>
References: <20211027202128.GF2275@my.box>
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On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 11:26:30PM -0400, Paul Atreides wrote:
> OK, one more piece of critical information (I?m realizing how silly it was for me to not mention this). In the config menu there is an ?enable telnet? button. The description says that it will enable telnet on 8090 but to be enabled, it is dependent on ?dmi.init? being on the device AND there is a section on the UI to upload to the DMI file! 
> I?ve tried the obvious things (like clicking the enable telnet button!), rebooting and seeing if it works. It did not. After that I tried uploading a blank file called ?dmi.init? To see if that would initialize the telnet interface by the presence of the file name alone. That did not work either. Does anyone have a dmi.init file from another device that could possibly work? I?ve only found a tiny bit of information online referencing DMI.init files but what I have found indicates that dmi.init is in fact a script not a blank file.

Here are the dmi commands that we commonly use:
https://osmocom.org/projects/cellular-infrastructure/wiki/Configuring_the_ipaccess_nano3G
AFAIK the dmi.init file is just these telnet commands put in a file.


From maud.dib1984 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  1 19:57:04 2021
From: maud.dib1984 at gmail.com (Paul Atreides)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2021 15:57:04 -0400
Subject: OSMO-MSC External MNCC integration with FeeSwitch
In-Reply-To: <20211101160646.GA15484@my.box>
References: <20211101160646.GA15484@my.box>
Message-ID: <F1A54276-3A11-4701-B6FF-F84E8E581532@gmail.com>

Excellent thank you Neels!

<end transmission>

> On Nov 1, 2021, at 12:06, Neels Hofmeyr <nhofmeyr at sysmocom.de> wrote:
> 
> ?On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 11:26:30PM -0400, Paul Atreides wrote:
>> OK, one more piece of critical information (I?m realizing how silly it was for me to not mention this). In the config menu there is an ?enable telnet? button. The description says that it will enable telnet on 8090 but to be enabled, it is dependent on ?dmi.init? being on the device AND there is a section on the UI to upload to the DMI file! 
>> I?ve tried the obvious things (like clicking the enable telnet button!), rebooting and seeing if it works. It did not. After that I tried uploading a blank file called ?dmi.init? To see if that would initialize the telnet interface by the presence of the file name alone. That did not work either. Does anyone have a dmi.init file from another device that could possibly work? I?ve only found a tiny bit of information online referencing DMI.init files but what I have found indicates that dmi.init is in fact a script not a blank file.
> 
> Here are the dmi commands that we commonly use:
> https://osmocom.org/projects/cellular-infrastructure/wiki/Configuring_the_ipaccess_nano3G
> AFAIK the dmi.init file is just these telnet commands put in a file.


From laforge at osmocom.org  Tue Nov  2 09:25:47 2021
From: laforge at osmocom.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2021 10:25:47 +0100
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2022 ?
Message-ID: <YYEEG5iH/7FxvHLc@nataraja>

Dear fellow Osmocom developers,

as you all know, we've sadly had to skip OsmoDevCon 2020 and 2021,
trying to compensate it at least to some extent with our OsmoDevCall
every two weeks.

The COVID-19 pandemic is far from over, and we don't know what the
upcoming winter season will bring.

Nevertheless, I think it would be a good idea to start a discussion of
whether we should plan for an OsmoDevCon in 2022.

I personally would say let's plan for the usual late April 2022 time frame,
and if the pandemic situation deteriorates, we can still cancel it with
something like one month lead time.

I would also personally suggest to limit attendance to people who are fully
vaccinated, and in addition do a self-test for all participants every
morning.

In terms of venue, we might also consider to move to a venue that allows better
ventilation.  Irrespective of the above we can also bring the air filters from
the sysmocom office.

So with that as an input statement, I would like to hear your opinion
on the above proposals.  Who would want to attend? Any complaints against
the "vaccinated only plus daily self-tests in the morning" approach?

Regards,
	Harald
-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at osmocom.org>            http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)


From 246tnt at gmail.com  Tue Nov  2 10:22:21 2021
From: 246tnt at gmail.com (Sylvain Munaut)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2021 11:22:21 +0100
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2022 ?
In-Reply-To: <YYEEG5iH/7FxvHLc@nataraja>
References: <YYEEG5iH/7FxvHLc@nataraja>
Message-ID: <CAHL+j0_oB_1GKDT+n2PNV0y2PyxMxjPLnDjpBU_irpe_0hf1JQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Harald,

I'm definitely for it and would attend and the usual timeframe sounds good.

As for the modalities.
 - Vaccinated : Sure.
 - Self Test : Although a test before departure sounds like a good
idea, I'm not really sure of the need / efficacy of a day to day test.
But I also have no issue taking one if people are more comfortable
that way or think it's worth it.
 - Venue : Obvious questions is what are the alternatives :)
 - Ventilation : I honestly have no idea on the efficacy of that, but
if you got filters for the sysmocom office, I guess you did some
research and if they are movable and not obnoxiously loud, that can't
hurt.
 - Masks : You didn't mention it in your original email, but
personally I think in this context ( low number of people, but quite
extended period of time, + meals / drinks ), their efficacy would be
negligible. But again, if the consensus is to wear them, I have no
issues with that.

This is of course just my 2ct and also for my personal situation (like
for instance I know I can easily have a week "buffer" before/after the
event where I'll have virtually no contacts).
Looking forward to hear what others think.

Cheers,

    Sylvain


From laforge at osmocom.org  Tue Nov  2 12:17:28 2021
From: laforge at osmocom.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2021 13:17:28 +0100
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2022 ?
In-Reply-To: <CAHL+j0_oB_1GKDT+n2PNV0y2PyxMxjPLnDjpBU_irpe_0hf1JQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <YYEsWAFglgx5lZg6@nataraja>

Hi Sylvain,

thanks for your feedback

On Tue, Nov 02, 2021 at 11:22:21AM +0100, Sylvain Munaut wrote:
> I'm definitely for it and would attend and the usual timeframe sounds good.

excellent, so we're already two :)

>  - Self Test : Although a test before departure sounds like a good
> idea, I'm not really sure of the need / efficacy of a day to day test.
> But I also have no issue taking one if people are more comfortable
> that way or think it's worth it.

I've seen this done at some of the companies I was visiting in recent months,
as well as some hacker related  gatherings.  Not sure if it really makes
much sense either. Given that it's negligable cost and quick to do, I
had proposed it.

>  - Venue : Obvious questions is what are the alternatives :)

sysmocom could of course rent some kind of venue in a hotel, like we did
for the second OsmoCon at that time.

I "like" the IN-Berlin venue because we know it well and it has an
undeniable authentic DIY + hacker spirit.  I also know it is not the
most practical venue in terms of size/space/comfort.  Plus in the
context of proper ventilation in COVID times something with more space
between participants and more air volume might be better suited.

Of course there's quite some cost associated with a regular commercial
hotel conference room, and it would also mean we cannot have a variety
of external catering options like we did in the past.

Cost-wise, sysmocom could certainly cover it - but of course we don't
have to throw funds at the hotel industry unless the participants
consider it advantageous in some way.

>  - Ventilation : I honestly have no idea on the efficacy of that, but
> if you got filters for the sysmocom office, I guess you did some
> research and if they are movable and not obnoxiously loud, that can't
> hurt.

They are small, movable and quiet.  I also am not sure how much it
helps, but given those factors it doesn't really have any downside.

>  - Masks : You didn't mention it in your original email, but
> personally I think in this context ( low number of people, but quite
> extended period of time, + meals / drinks ), their efficacy would be
> negligible. But again, if the consensus is to wear them, I have no
> issues with that.

I agree, plus wearing masks for four days all day long is not really
practical, so I didn't even consider it.

-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at osmocom.org>            http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)


From mychaela.falconia at gmail.com  Tue Nov  2 22:03:00 2021
From: mychaela.falconia at gmail.com (Mychaela Falconia)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2021 14:03:00 -0800
Subject: USA or Mexico alternative to OsmoDevCon?
Message-ID: <CA+uuBqZ3g7rkqPXTrafsK1ysCjQnqk+owmDFhEfBEDB3+8N0Xg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello fellow telecom hackers,

Seeing that OsmoDevCon 2022 is being discussed, I would like to propose
a more inclusive alternative, to be held in either USA or Mexico.
There are two severe lack-of-inclusion problems with OsmoDevCon:

1) Since its very beginning, ODC has been exclusionary, limited only
to Osmocom developers specifically, excluding those developers and
tinkerers who work on non-Osmocom projects in the "indie" telecom
space, "indie" being defined as independent of major commercial
vendors and industry.  I hold the opinion that all monocultures are
bad in principle, and an Osmocom monoculture is no better than, say,
a Microsoft monoculture.  Osmocom is currently in the dominant
position, outweighing all others by some orders of magnitude, but
might does not make right, and we need more diversity.  We need more
players in this niche space than just Osmocom!

2) The recent decision to limit OsmoDevCon only to those who have
agreed to put a certain class of pharmaceutical into their bodies,
*on top* of the Osmocom-only restriction of the previous paragraph,
makes the proposed conference even more exclusionary and therefore of
no service to the wider telecom hacker community.

Of course it is not my place as a Russian-American to try to tell EU
countries whom to allow or not allow within their borders, nor is it
my place to tell private individuals like our Fearless Leader Harald
whom to allow or not allow in their private spaces.  But what I *can*
do instead is to step forward and offer to organize and host a more
inclusive alternative, and that is what I am doing with this post.

Specifically I am offering to organize and host a physical in-person
gathering of telecom (all telecom, not just wireless) hackers,
enthusiasts and tinkerers, very similar in spirit to OsmoDevCon, but
more inclusive:

1) Welcoming everyone who has devoted a major portion of his or her
life to *any* project in the indie telecom space, regardless of which
domain that project is hosted under, and regardless of whether that
project is FOSS or merely PSS.  (PSS = Published Source Software, a
superset of FOSS.)

2) Welcoming everyone regardless of personal medical choices - what
you do with your body is your business, not mine - you don't tell me
what I should or shouldn't put in my body, and I won't tell you what
you should or shouldn't put into yours.  Also no forced testing: if
you wish to get yourself tested for this or that before attending, it
is your sovereign choice to do so, but no one will *ever* be turned
away from an event which I organize and host, neither for refusing to
test nor for any other reason.

If there is anyone interested in such an inclusive in-person gathering
of telecom hackers, I am offering to host one in my part of the world.
Where is it geographically?  I live in USA, near San Diego, and right
next to the border between USA and Mexico.  Depending on who is
interested in joining and where they will come from, I can host our
InclusiveDevCon on either side of the border, i.e., either in USA or
in Mexico.

It is my understanding that gaining entry into Mexico is much easier
than gaining entry into USA, hence for that reason I suggest that we
hold our get-together on the Mexican side of the border.  If we do
choose Mexico as our host country, the specific location will need to
be in the northern part of that country, specifically in the Mexican
state of Baja California; the candidate cities would be Tijuana or
Ensenada, somewhere close to the border with USA.  However, if the
only people who are interested in joining either already live in USA
or can easily enter this lovely country, then holding our Inclusive-
DevCon in USA would make more sense - in that case it will be somewhere
in San Diego area.

Alternatively, if there is anyone in the community who shares my stated
values of wider inclusion but cannot or does not wish to travel to USA
or Mexico, if you would be willing to host an inclusive event in your
part of the world, then I will consider traveling to attend your event
- but *only* if your event is open to non-Osmocom PSS developers *and*
open to those who refuse injections.  Please note, however, that I
cannot enter Russia - other parts of the former USSR including
Transnistria are potentially accessible to me, but not Russia - I was
born there, but I permanently lost the ability to visit my birthplace
as a result of having done my gender transition while living in USA,
with all steps for legal name and gender change done under the
American system, as opposed to Russian.

In hacking solidarity,
Mother Mychaela of FreeCalypso


From keith at rhizomatica.org  Tue Nov  2 23:26:52 2021
From: keith at rhizomatica.org (Keith Whyte)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2021 23:26:52 +0000
Subject: OSMO-MSC External MNCC integration with FeeSwitch
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Hi Justin. I already told you what is wrong. Maybe you somehow missed my mail?
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From justin.repollo at entropysolution.com  Tue Nov  2 23:39:50 2021
From: justin.repollo at entropysolution.com (Justin)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2021 23:39:50 +0000
Subject: OSMO-MSC External MNCC integration with FeeSwitch
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Hi Keith,

I don't receive any email from you. Can you please send it again?


Hi Neels,

I've tried the shared config but still encountered the Missing Contact Header error.


Regards,
Justin
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From laforge at osmocom.org  Wed Nov  3 10:42:22 2021
From: laforge at osmocom.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 11:42:22 +0100
Subject: USA or Mexico alternative to OsmoDevCon?
In-Reply-To: <CA+uuBqZ3g7rkqPXTrafsK1ysCjQnqk+owmDFhEfBEDB3+8N0Xg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+uuBqZ3g7rkqPXTrafsK1ysCjQnqk+owmDFhEfBEDB3+8N0Xg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <YYJnjuO6fZzQZ4r9@nataraja>

Hi Mychaela,
On Tue, Nov 02, 2021 at 02:03:00PM -0800, Mychaela Falconia wrote:
> Seeing that OsmoDevCon 2022 is being discussed, I would like to propose
> a more inclusive alternative, to be held in either USA or Mexico.

I would consider this an alternative in the sense of "in addition to",
but not in the sense of "either or".  Fact is that the far majority of past
and present active Osmocom developers are in or closer to Europe than
to the Americas.  So from a "overall effort to get everyone in one place"
from both a financial but also an ecological point of view, hosting it
in Europe has advantages.

> 1) Since its very beginning, ODC has been exclusionary, limited only
> to Osmocom developers specifically, excluding those developers and
> tinkerers who work on non-Osmocom projects in the "indie" telecom
> space, 

Well, it is an _osmocom_ developer conference.  By the most obvious and
literal meaning of that name, it means "for osmocom developers". Please
note that in the past, at our discretion, we did invite select people
from other projects such as Sukchan to cover open5gs, or Ismael to cover
srsLTE, or very early on also David Burgess from OpenBTS.

If somebody (e.g. you in your proposal) wanted to organize an event
about all kinds of free software / open source / "indie" telecom
projects, I would certainly welcome it.  The more, the merrier.

I am not aware of any similar events being hosted for the srsLTE/srsRAN,
open5gs or yateBTS projects/communities.  The only (non FOSS but "PSS"
in your definition) project with a track record of events/conferences
I know of is OpenAirInterface.

> 2) The recent decision to limit OsmoDevCon only to those who have
> agreed to put a certain class of pharmaceutical into their bodies,

There was no decision yet, but just a proposal.  Also, in general, I
think it is recognized that the organizer[s] of an event get to
determine the attendance requirements, particularly so if it also
involves questions of public health.

-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at osmocom.org>            http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
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"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)


From rafael at riseup.net  Wed Nov  3 11:45:40 2021
From: rafael at riseup.net (Rafael Diniz)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 14:45:40 +0300
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2022 ?
In-Reply-To: <YYEEG5iH/7FxvHLc@nataraja>
References: <YYEEG5iH/7FxvHLc@nataraja>
Message-ID: <6269ec67-b148-3b1c-7480-9df2fde16200@riseup.net>

Hi everybody,

I want to show up! I'm now "nearby", in Moscow, so if Covid pandemic
does not gets worse, I think I'll have no problem in making to it.

Best regards,
Rafael
Rhizomatica

On 11/2/21 12:25 PM, Harald Welte wrote:
> Dear fellow Osmocom developers,
> 
> as you all know, we've sadly had to skip OsmoDevCon 2020 and 2021,
> trying to compensate it at least to some extent with our OsmoDevCall
> every two weeks.
> 
> The COVID-19 pandemic is far from over, and we don't know what the
> upcoming winter season will bring.
> 
> Nevertheless, I think it would be a good idea to start a discussion of
> whether we should plan for an OsmoDevCon in 2022.
> 
> I personally would say let's plan for the usual late April 2022 time frame,
> and if the pandemic situation deteriorates, we can still cancel it with
> something like one month lead time.
> 
> I would also personally suggest to limit attendance to people who are fully
> vaccinated, and in addition do a self-test for all participants every
> morning.
> 
> In terms of venue, we might also consider to move to a venue that allows better
> ventilation.  Irrespective of the above we can also bring the air filters from
> the sysmocom office.
> 
> So with that as an input statement, I would like to hear your opinion
> on the above proposals.  Who would want to attend? Any complaints against
> the "vaccinated only plus daily self-tests in the morning" approach?
> 
> Regards,
> 	Harald
> 

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From pespin at sysmocom.de  Wed Nov  3 14:08:07 2021
From: pespin at sysmocom.de (Pau Espin Pedrol)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 15:08:07 +0100
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2022 ?
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On 11/2/21 11:22, Sylvain Munaut wrote:
> Hi Harald,
> 
> I'm definitely for it and would attend and the usual timeframe sounds good.
> 
> As for the modalities.
>   - Vaccinated : Sure.

Agree, I consider this a must (or some sort of equivalent certificate).


>   - Self Test : Although a test before departure sounds like a good
> idea, I'm not really sure of the need / efficacy of a day to day test.
> But I also have no issue taking one if people are more comfortable
> that way or think it's worth it.

I'd say at least providing a PCR/antigen test over last 24-48h is 
enough, given that I expect no much social interaction with third 
parties once OsmoDevCon starts, since we'll be most part of the day 
together. That'd be fine for me. Maybe one can be enforced during the 
first day at start of the event.


>   - Venue : Obvious questions is what are the alternatives :)

While in general I like being at IN Berlin during the conferences, it 
would be a good idea to explore other venues for this year, were we can 
have a bit more space between people and a bigger volume of ventilated 
air, maybe also with some extra place outside.


>   - Masks : You didn't mention it in your original email, but
> personally I think in this context ( low number of people, but quite
> extended period of time, + meals / drinks ), their efficacy would be
> negligible. But again, if the consensus is to wear them, I have no
> issues with that.

The specific rules regarding this topic can probably be 
discussed/announced a few days/weeks before the event, to take into 
account current legislation, epidemic numbers, etc. since it doesn't 
involve any kind of organization ahead.

Regards,
Pau

-- 
- Pau Espin Pedrol <pespin at sysmocom.de>         http://www.sysmocom.de/
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* sysmocom - systems for mobile communications GmbH
* Alt-Moabit 93
* 10559 Berlin, Germany
* Sitz / Registered office: Berlin, HRB 134158 B
* Geschaeftsfuehrer / Managing Director: Harald Welte


From keith at rhizomatica.org  Wed Nov  3 19:32:01 2021
From: keith at rhizomatica.org (Keith)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 13:32:01 -0600
Subject: OSMO-MSC External MNCC integration with FeeSwitch
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On 02/11/2021 17:39, Justin wrote:
> Hi Keith,
>
> I don't receive any email from you. Can you please send it again?

http://lists.osmocom.org/pipermail/openbsc/2021-October/013562.html




From mychaela.falconia at gmail.com  Wed Nov  3 20:14:27 2021
From: mychaela.falconia at gmail.com (Mychaela Falconia)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 12:14:27 -0800
Subject: USA or Mexico alternative to OsmoDevCon?
In-Reply-To: <YYJnjuO6fZzQZ4r9@nataraja>
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Hi Harald,

> I would consider this an alternative in the sense of "in addition to",
> but not in the sense of "either or".

Yes, of course - sorry for not making this part clear in my original
post.  Practically speaking, if I am going to host the proposed ITHG
(Inclusive Telecom Hacker Gathering), it would need to be scheduled to
not conflict with OsmoDevCon, allowing all ODC attendees to also
attend ITHG.  (*Everyone* who attends ODC is also welcome to join ITHG,
but obviously not vice-versa, given your current policies.)

> Fact is that the far majority of past
> and present active Osmocom developers are in or closer to Europe than
> to the Americas.  So from a "overall effort to get everyone in one place"
> from both a financial but also an ecological point of view, hosting it
> in Europe has advantages.

I would be willing to travel to Europe (anywhere other than Russia)
*if* someone were to host a conference or gathering that (1) allows me
to join despite my project being non-Osmocom PSS and (2) allows me to
join despite me remaining the way Goddess made me, vaccine-free.
However, if no one else steps up to host such an inclusive conference
or gathering and if I am the only one able and willing to organize and
host, then my part of the world (southwestern corner of USA or
northwestern corner of Mexico) is the only geographical area where I
can practically pull it off.

> If somebody (e.g. you in your proposal) wanted to organize an event
> about all kinds of free software / open source / "indie" telecom
> projects, I would certainly welcome it.  The more, the merrier.

OK, so let's throw around some potential dates for when I can host my
proposed ITHG in Tijuana, Mexico.  Here are two date range options I
currently have in mind:

Option 1: the second half of February or the first half of March 2022,
before the abomination of DST kicks in.

Option 2: some time in June 2022, two months after ODC.

Is there anyone at all from this community who would be willing to
travel to Tijuana in either of these proposed date ranges?

Duration: I am thinking of a one day event, but if the people who come
decide to stay longer, I should be able to extend to 2 or perhaps even
3 days - it all depends on the attendees and their level of interest.

Location: I am thinking of renting a conference room at a hotel in
Tijuana, perhaps at the same Hyatt where I stayed back in August for
medical tourism.  *If* everyone who is interested in attending can
gain entry into USA without difficulty, then we can hold our ITHG on
the USA side of the border instead - but I absolutely need to make the
event accessible to vaccine-free people from other countries, and if
you are in the latter category, then it is my understanding that
gaining entry into Mexico would be much easier than gaining entry into
USA - hence my leaning toward holding our ITHG in Tijuana.

Another advantage of the Mexican side of the border over the USA side
are the different policies of T-Mobile USA vs. Telcel Mexico regarding
GSM/2G phone users.  On the Mexican side of the border you can walk
into any Telcel store and buy a prepaid SIM that has the classic
GSM 11.11 SIM application still present, and operate it in any classic
GSM phone.  It even officially says "Compatible con GSM, 3G y 4G" on
the paper package in which those Telcel prepaid SIMs are wrapped -
official support for GSM/2G!  Not so easy on the USA side of the
border: T-Mobile still has their GSM network operational, but the SIMs
they sell in their stores (prepaid or otherwise) are maliciously
hobbled, with the classic GSM 11.11 SIM application removed.  One can
get an unhobbled SIM from a certain T-Mobile MVNO, but those are not
as easily accessible to visiting tourists.

> I am not aware of any similar events being hosted for the srsLTE/srsRAN,
> open5gs or yateBTS projects/communities.  The only (non FOSS but "PSS"
> in your definition) project with a track record of events/conferences
> I know of is OpenAirInterface.

If there is at least one person from Osmocom who would be willing to
join my ITHG, then ITHG will be a proper inter-project gathering, with
at least two projects represented: the putative person represending
Osmocom and me representing FreeCalypso.  Given that Osmocom is the
1000 pound gorilla in the room, the goliath compared to all other
indie telecom projects out there, there will need to be at least one
person from Osmocom agreeing to attend ITHG, in order for ITHG to have
legitimacy.  *If* we get that one person from Osmocom agreeing to
join, *then* I will reach out to YateBTS community, inviting them to
join as well - but we need at least one person from Osmocom to be on
board first.

M~


From justin.repollo at entropysolution.com  Thu Nov  4 00:08:41 2021
From: justin.repollo at entropysolution.com (Justin)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2021 00:08:41 +0000
Subject: OSMO-MSC External MNCC integration with FeeSwitch
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Hi @Keith<mailto:keith at rhizomatica.org>,

Thank you for your input. I was able to make it work now using v1.8.5 of FreeSwicth.


Hi @Neels Hofmeyr<mailto:nhofmeyr at sysmocom.de>,

I'm trying to work out using half rate channel in my testbed setup but unfortunately, I'm getting an error message Originate Failed. Cause: INCOMPATIBLE_DESTINATION. ?Do I need to adjust some configurations in OSMO to make it work??



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On 02/11/2021 17:39, Justin wrote:
> Hi Keith,
>
> I don't receive any email from you. Can you please send it again?

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From nhofmeyr at sysmocom.de  Thu Nov  4 16:07:35 2021
From: nhofmeyr at sysmocom.de (Neels Hofmeyr)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2021 17:07:35 +0100
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2022 ?
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I would attend (if the venue is in or near Berlin), April seems fine.

COVID: I'm less concerned about myself, but more about carrying it to people
near me, which extends to all of society, so I feel an obligation to have some
restrictions and requirements against COVID. It's not only up to us. I'm +1 on
requiring vaccination to attend by default. Maybe with the option for attendees
to request attendance despite no vaccination, and then see whether we can
unanimously agree on that?

About testing: it is possible to become contagious days after a negative test,
so only one test at the beginning is not doing it properly. In schools here the
requirement is to test every second day. We could adopt that.

About the venue, ideal would be IN-Berlin just twice the size. Spontaneously
thinking of CCC Marienstra?e? I usually feel uncomfortable in a hotel /
business meeting environment.

~N


From nhofmeyr at sysmocom.de  Thu Nov  4 16:34:14 2021
From: nhofmeyr at sysmocom.de (Neels Hofmeyr)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2021 17:34:14 +0100
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2022 ?
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> requiring vaccination to attend by default. Maybe with the option for attendees
> to request attendance despite no vaccination, and then see whether we can
> unanimously agree on that?

I'd like to add that I find it should also be sufficient to have recovered from
COVID. This is a common rule in schools in Berlin that does relieve teachers
from the need to test regularly (called 2G, incidentally).

Another question is whether we play by RKI rules and not accept certain
vaccines.

I guess we should first see whether anyone would be refused attendance based on
these rules and take it from there?

Here is a dudle to anonymously figure out the current vaccination status. Feel
free to enter your current status, especially if you're not fully vaccinated
and would like to attend. This is just to get a basis for discussion:

https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/w93G6NPqfA/

I guess we need to repeat such poll in early '22.


From nhofmeyr at sysmocom.de  Thu Nov  4 17:05:10 2021
From: nhofmeyr at sysmocom.de (Neels Hofmeyr)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2021 18:05:10 +0100
Subject: USA or Mexico alternative to OsmoDevCon?
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Just dropping my personal choice: I will not travel by flight.
In or near Berlin is my personal requirement for attending any con.

If it were only up to me, I would permit unvaccinated attendance, but this
choice includes all of society. I am not ready to take the responsibility to
partake in a gathering that allows likely spread of COVID. Consider the case
that it results in infection and possibly long covid and/or death of an
attendee or her family / friends.

My choice to categorically not travel by flight goes along the same lines,
related to greenhouse gas emissions. A single intercontinental flight
*quadruples* my personal annual emissions. It's way out of proportion.

~N


From mychaela.falconia at gmail.com  Thu Nov  4 22:53:17 2021
From: mychaela.falconia at gmail.com (Mychaela Falconia)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2021 14:53:17 -0800
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2022 ?
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Neels Hofmeyr wrote:

> I'd like to add that I find it should also be sufficient to have recovered
> from COVID.

Back in December 2020 into January 2021 I was indeed sick with Covid;
one could even argue that I caught it deliberately on purpose, as I
was defiantly attending every illegal superspreader event I could
find in my neck of the woods, until I finally got my wish of catching
the C in late December.  I never got tested, never got put on any
official counts of "cases", and I principally refused any and all
medical care, i.e., I recovered entirely on my own with zero medical
assistance or intervention.

Beyond my word, the only evidence I have of having had Covid and
having recovered from it consists of antibodies in my blood.  When I
had my gender confirmation surgery in Mexico a little over 2 months
ago (late August), they insisted on doing their Covid test; I objected
to the hockey stick up my nose, so they did a blood test instead -
initially.  On the morning of my surgery they drew my blood, and then
they tell me that the test came out positive!  Their next step was to
do a PCR test; thankfully they agreed to do their PCR with an
oropharyngeal swab instead of nasopharyngeal, and it came out negative,
hence I was able to get my surgery done on the original schedule.

I looked up what kind of Covid-related blood tests exist out there,
and as far as I can tell, a blood test means an antibody test, not
anything else.  Thus the positive blood test which I had on the morning
of August 26 in Tijuana must have been a Covid antibody test, with the
positive result meaning that I have those antibodies in my blood, or
at least did back in August.  I am currently in the process of
attempting to retrieve a record of that antibody test from the Mexican
medical office that coordinated my surgery.

If I do get a copy of those blood test results showing that I had
Covid antibodies in me as of 2021-08-26, would it be sufficient proof
for your purposes that I recovered from Covid?  Would I be then
eligible to attend your Berlin gathering without vaccination or
further testing requirements?  I am including the part about further
testing requirements because you mentioned:

> This is a common rule in schools in Berlin that does relieve teachers
> from the need to test regularly (called 2G, incidentally).

For me a trip to Berlin would be a *big* financial undertaking, both
in direct costs (flight and accommodations) and time away from other
activities such as my day job - thus I cannot take any chances.  Being
asked to take further tests, with my ability to attend conditionalized
on the test yielding a certain result, would be akin to being asked to
flip a coin on the morning of the event and being denied attendance if
the coin lands tails - absolutely not acceptable given the financial
commitment involved in travel.  Therefore, the only way I will be able
to make the travel investment (buy the plane ticket and make the major
time investment as well) would be if there are NO further barriers
such as tests.

M~


From keith at rhizomatica.org  Thu Nov  4 23:31:25 2021
From: keith at rhizomatica.org (Keith)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2021 17:31:25 -0600
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2022 ?
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References: <YYEEG5iH/7FxvHLc@nataraja> <20211104160735.GA26052@my.box>
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Hey Mychaela, as Neels pointed out, it's not only up to Osmocom.

None of us have any idea what might be the requirements to enter Germany
by the time April comes around.

Please, let's not go any deeper into arguing covid or health/medical
procedures on THIS list, AFAIK there's not a lot of
virologists/epidemiologists/etc or even health practitioners
(alternative or otherwise) on here.

Best wishes,

Keith.




From mychaela.falconia at gmail.com  Fri Nov  5 00:10:54 2021
From: mychaela.falconia at gmail.com (Mychaela Falconia)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2021 16:10:54 -0800
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2022 ?
In-Reply-To: <dec6adef-d2ea-0380-0423-518acc70e0ae@rhizomatica.org>
References: <YYEEG5iH/7FxvHLc@nataraja> <20211104160735.GA26052@my.box>
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Hi Keith,

> Hey Mychaela, as Neels pointed out, it's not only up to Osmocom.
>
> None of us have any idea what might be the requirements to enter Germany
> by the time April comes around.

Entering Germany is not the problem - I have my ways.  They are not
entirely legal, so I am not going to discuss them in detail, but as a
hint, there exist certain white cards to which I may have access, and
I know that other people of my kind have successfully used the same
methods very recently, successfully accessing other nearby EU countries
for the purpose of physically meeting up with personal friends of like
mind.

My point is, I am fairly confident that entering Germany in 2022-04
will be possible for me, even if it isn't totally legal.  Instead my
real concern lies squarely and solely with Osmocom: if I do make it
into your country using some not-quite-legal means, will _YOU_ bar me
from _YOUR_ meeting space, the one under YOUR control?  That's the
central issue here.

Given both the financial costs involved and the very major hoops I
will most likely need to jump through to make it into EU and then back
into USA in one piece, I will need very substantial foreplanning.  If
I am going to having any chance of making it, I will need to start
making preparations now, 6 months in advance, hence me raising the
topic.

Or alternatively, I would be quite happy to stay on my side of the
ocean if I could convince *at least one* person from your camp to come
to Mexico (or to USA) and meet up with me as a gesture of friendship
and goodwill, on a schedule that does not conflict with your Berlin
meeting - but so far I got none.

M~


From nhofmeyr at sysmocom.de  Fri Nov  5 09:47:47 2021
From: nhofmeyr at sysmocom.de (Neels Hofmeyr)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 10:47:47 +0100
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2022 ?
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On Thu, Nov 04, 2021 at 04:10:54PM -0800, Mychaela Falconia wrote:
> Entering Germany is not the problem - I have my ways.  They are not
> entirely legal, so I am not going to discuss them in detail

Based on the incompatible levels of precaution we deem necessary, I've decided
for myself that if Mychaela attends OsmoDevCon in person, I would participate
remotely, only. Being near her would make me feel quite uncomfortable.

Mychaela, this is explicitly not dismissing your opinion, it is simply keeping
up my own opinion besides yours. I accept that you have your ways, but they are
not mine. Having my ways unfortunately means to maintain distance.

~N


From nhofmeyr at sysmocom.de  Fri Nov  5 10:17:26 2021
From: nhofmeyr at sysmocom.de (Neels Hofmeyr)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 11:17:26 +0100
Subject: OSMO-MSC External MNCC integration with FeeSwitch
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> I'm trying to work out using half rate channel in my testbed setup but unfortunately, I'm getting an error message Originate Failed. Cause: INCOMPATIBLE_DESTINATION. Do I need to adjust some configurations in OSMO to make it work?

Codec negotiation is quite broken in OsmoMSC. Patches to fix that are tested
and have been almost-ready for years now, unfortunately there was not
sufficient human resource available to fully finish and merge them.

To use proper codec negotiation from MS thru SIP, you may try using:

osmo-msc branch neels/mncc_codecs3
osmo-sip-connector branch neels/codecs3

(The last actually tested versions were neels/mncc_codecs2 and neels/codecs2, I
just now rebased those onto current master and resolved some conflicts, however
don't have the time to also test them. So if 3 fails, you may also try 2.)

Without above patches, the codec in osmo-sip-connector is actually hard coded
and you will be able to use only that single codec, chosen by actually patching
the source code of osmo-sip-connector.

*With* above patches, a) codec selection is based on more information in
osmo-msc, and b) the codec is properly transported through to the SDP that ends
up in the SIP and back from SIP to the MSC.

Feedback would be appreciated! If these patches help you, then it confirms
(again) that someone should fund us to work on merging them...

Thanks!
~N


From justin.repollo at entropysolution.com  Fri Nov  5 10:25:06 2021
From: justin.repollo at entropysolution.com (Justin)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 10:25:06 +0000
Subject: OSMO-MSC External MNCC integration with FeeSwitch
In-Reply-To: <20211105101725.GD10276@my.box>
References: <HK0PR04MB33962D6BE30B386744159A9791BF9@HK0PR04MB3396.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
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Hi Neels,

Thank you for your suggestions. I'll try this and feedback once I've simulate this on my test setup.


Regards,
Justin

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________________________________
From: Neels Hofmeyr <nhofmeyr at sysmocom.de>
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 6:17:26 PM
To: Justin <justin.repollo at entropysolution.com>
Cc: openbsc at lists.osmocom.org <openbsc at lists.osmocom.org>
Subject: Re: OSMO-MSC External MNCC integration with FeeSwitch

> I'm trying to work out using half rate channel in my testbed setup but unfortunately, I'm getting an error message Originate Failed. Cause: INCOMPATIBLE_DESTINATION. Do I need to adjust some configurations in OSMO to make it work?

Codec negotiation is quite broken in OsmoMSC. Patches to fix that are tested
and have been almost-ready for years now, unfortunately there was not
sufficient human resource available to fully finish and merge them.

To use proper codec negotiation from MS thru SIP, you may try using:

osmo-msc branch neels/mncc_codecs3
osmo-sip-connector branch neels/codecs3

(The last actually tested versions were neels/mncc_codecs2 and neels/codecs2, I
just now rebased those onto current master and resolved some conflicts, however
don't have the time to also test them. So if 3 fails, you may also try 2.)

Without above patches, the codec in osmo-sip-connector is actually hard coded
and you will be able to use only that single codec, chosen by actually patching
the source code of osmo-sip-connector.

*With* above patches, a) codec selection is based on more information in
osmo-msc, and b) the codec is properly transported through to the SDP that ends
up in the SIP and back from SIP to the MSC.

Feedback would be appreciated! If these patches help you, then it confirms
(again) that someone should fund us to work on merging them...

Thanks!
~N
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From laforge at osmocom.org  Fri Nov  5 10:35:51 2021
From: laforge at osmocom.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 11:35:51 +0100
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2022 ?
In-Reply-To: <20211104160735.GA26052@my.box>
References: <YYEEG5iH/7FxvHLc@nataraja>
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Hi Neels,

On Thu, Nov 04, 2021 at 05:07:35PM +0100, Neels Hofmeyr wrote:
> About testing: it is possible to become contagious days after a negative test,
> so only one test at the beginning is not doing it properly. In schools here the
> requirement is to test every second day. We could adopt that.

We can still discuss this, of course.  As I stated, I personally
wouldn't mind doing a test every morning.

> About the venue, ideal would be IN-Berlin just twice the size. Spontaneously
> thinking of CCC Marienstra?e? 

Based on mails I'm reading, the latter currently seems in a rather poor general
state and they are planning a variety of renovations.  Not sure what the
state will be by April.

Also, it is unlikely that one would be able to occupy both floors for
four days.   During the past 1.5 years it was pretty abandoned, but
"normally" it is visited by the regular users and 

> I usually feel uncomfortable in a hotel / business meeting environment.

Sorry to hear that, but I hope that the amount of technical content and
the social interactions will help you to ignore that to some point.

There are certainly are some alternatives like e.g.
https://www.exrotaprint.de/projektraum/ which would be 185 square
meters, but I haven't yet asked about whether we could use it day+night
and what the rates are.

Regards,
	Harald

-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at osmocom.org>            http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
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"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)


From laforge at osmocom.org  Fri Nov  5 10:48:56 2021
From: laforge at osmocom.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 11:48:56 +0100
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2022 ?
In-Reply-To: <20211105094747.GC10276@my.box>
References: <YYEEG5iH/7FxvHLc@nataraja> <20211104160735.GA26052@my.box>
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 <CA+uuBqZ6PR+rufVi+mS3SPi7LOrgNYvwKevi03ep=tjtzwiibQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear Neels and List,

On Fri, Nov 05, 2021 at 10:47:47AM +0100, Neels Hofmeyr wrote:
> Based on the incompatible levels of precaution we deem necessary, I've decided
> for myself that if Mychaela attends OsmoDevCon in person, I would participate
> remotely, only. Being near her would make me feel quite uncomfortable.

Note: I have received several such statements from other trusted long-term
Osmocom developers via alternative / private channels.  Based on the behavior
we have repeatedly seen exhibited for a number of years by now, I can certainly
understand those concerns.

In order to host an event with trusted long-term collaborators in the
usual productive, non-controversial, peaceful manner, I hereby declare
that we do not extend a related invitation to Mychaela to participate in
OsmoDevCon.

@Mychaela: I would appreciate if you direct any potential criticism to
me privately and not discuss this further on a list that is intended to
facilitate technical exchange of open source development.  Thanks for
your kind understanding.

-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at osmocom.org>            http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)


From ml at mail.tsaitgaist.info  Fri Nov  5 13:18:14 2021
From: ml at mail.tsaitgaist.info (=?iso-8859-1?Q?K=E9vin?= Redon)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 14:18:14 +0100
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2022 ?
In-Reply-To: <YYEEG5iH/7FxvHLc@nataraja>
References: <YYEEG5iH/7FxvHLc@nataraja>
Message-ID: <YYUvFrK4JWLI0EwH@diode>

On Tue, Nov 02, 2021 at 10:25:47AM +0100, Harald Welte wrote:
> I personally would say let's plan for the usual late April 2022 time frame,
> and if the pandemic situation deteriorates, we can still cancel it with
> something like one month lead time.

I'm also happy to help with the recording and streaming of the public talks for those not able to join on site.
sure, it would not cover all other aspects of a gathering, but provides a light way of participation.

> I would also personally suggest to limit attendance to people who are fully
> vaccinated, and in addition do a self-test for all participants every
> morning.

I don't mind self-testing, particularly for "larger" venues with plenty of prolonged contacts.
they're easy to make and inexpensive, a relative small constraint if it allows to have such an event again.


From edachleger at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  5 13:28:27 2021
From: edachleger at yahoo.com (Erich Dachleger)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 13:28:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: enabling ssh on nano3g s8
References: <409225228.1632670.1636118907119.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <409225228.1632670.1636118907119@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all,Is there some special routine for enabling ssh on nano 3gs8 device?Or is the unit "useless" if the ssh-daemon is not running?(I have no way of seeing whether or not it is running)
I can access by telnet to dmi interface, the telnet commands from the wiki are present and have read the docs from accelerate 3g but I think there might be some subtle info I miss regarding starting ssh.

Port 22 is blocked is the errror message I get and i also tested the aes-method suggested in the wiki, same error, port 22 blocked also in that case.
Could this be the situation where one has to try setting up a tr069 server?
Regards
/erich


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From keith at rhizomatica.org  Fri Nov  5 17:55:39 2021
From: keith at rhizomatica.org (Keith)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 11:55:39 -0600
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2022 ?
In-Reply-To: <YYUvFrK4JWLI0EwH@diode>
References: <YYEEG5iH/7FxvHLc@nataraja> <YYUvFrK4JWLI0EwH@diode>
Message-ID: <c925d772-fe0b-fdaf-5eca-88c5b6cae9d0@rhizomatica.org>


On 05/11/2021 07:18, K?vin Redon wrote:
>
> I'm also happy to help with the recording and streaming of the public talks for those not able to join on site.

Great Kevin, Thanks. This is something not touched upon yet, other than
assuming that as always, talks would be recorded for consumption by the
wider community. I assume also that adding some text or video remote
participation will also not be beyond us. At least for Q&A, Engel - style.

For my part, at this time I don't feel I have so much to contribute that
would justify travel, health risks etc. So watching live or recordings
will probably be sufficient - In fact, having reference to this archive
is vital, I have often referenced videos after forgetting things -
there's just too much to take in across 4 days of OsmoDevCon.

Something that occurs to me, but it's not a personal preference,
attendance is highly unlikely - but is there any reason to plan for late
April, other than tradition? The few degrees of higher ambient
temperature that are likely in late, or even mid May would seem to make
ventilation so much easier. - My preferred venue - OUTSIDE! Remember
those days at MarienStr when the sun came out, that was great!

Thanks for organising a devcon! Best wishes to all and here's hoping for
some relief next spring and a smooth event!
(I have an unexplainable, totally nonrational gut feeling that covid-19
might just somehow fade away around early spring)

k.

P.D. For what it's worth, for the "record" as they say: IMHO people's
health is on the greater part their own business and responsibility. So
personally, I would have no agenda to segregate people. Besides, unless
one would quarantine 3 or 4 days before, somehow travel to the venue in
a bubble, stay there for the entire con and return home in a bubble to
again quarantine, one could never be sure of the source of any
infection. At the end of the day, If any unvaccinated people are free to
move about in society by end of next spring, it seems likely that their
immunity will be in very good shape, severe winter lockdown
notwithstanding. In terms of tests, my personal experience has been that
they are so unreliable as to be worse than useless, bordering on
dangerous. So I'd skip that.






From keith at rhizomatica.org  Fri Nov  5 19:23:44 2021
From: keith at rhizomatica.org (Keith)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 13:23:44 -0600
Subject: OSMO-MSC External MNCC integration with FeeSwitch
In-Reply-To: <20211105101725.GD10276@my.box>
References: <HK0PR04MB33962D6BE30B386744159A9791BF9@HK0PR04MB3396.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <ea208ab9-e624-9225-0f8b-bbfe604ad604@rhizomatica.org>


On 05/11/2021 04:17, Neels Hofmeyr wrote:
> just now rebased those onto current master and resolved some conflicts, 

Brilliant! Thanks for finding time to do that, I had started a rebase a
couple of weeks ago before taking some time off, but I had problems, I
think mostly with getting the make check tests to pass, it was enough to
take the wind out of my sails.


>
> Without above patches, the codec in osmo-sip-connector is actually hard coded
> and you will be able to use only that single codec

I don't mean to contradict you, but I don't see that is actually true
anymore. not that the actual state is the important thing, the important
thing is moving forward with these patches.

All the same, Justin. for the sake of getting you running, you said:

> I'm trying to work out using half rate channel in my testbed setup but
> unfortunately,?I'm getting an error?message?*Originate
> Failed.?**Cause: INCOMPATIBLE_DESTINATION. *?Do I need to adjust some
> configurations in OSMO to make it work??

Would be interesting to see the pcap of the SIP signalling here. What
codec(s) is Freeswitch offering? Is this a mobile to mobile call, or
originating at some other SIP endpoint? When you say half rate, you do
mean using the AMR codec, or GSM-HR? Maybe attach your FreeSwitch
configs, at least vars.xml and the sip_profile.xml for the sip profile
that is facing the osmo-sip-connector.

Looking at the osmo configs you attached before, you have no explicit
codec-list in the BSC msc section, so you should be supporting all, and
you have codec-support in the bts, so that looks good. Maybe best to
just attach your entire osmo config again for your half-rate channel
setup. But please don't let that distract you from testing on Neels'
branches!

Neels, Without or without any rhizomatica hats on, I don't personally
have any funding. But without any hats on at all, I will do some
(manual, as in with BTS and phones) testing and can then theoretically
push this to CR. I might have to beg help for any ttcn3 work required.

BTW, Justin, It's always nice to have a (brief) introduction about what
you do with the osmocom software. I don't see any mails from you on the
mailing list previous to last month. I see you have a product called
ReachNet http://www.entropysolution.com/reachnet.html but I don't see
anything concrete about any hardware there, just the usual "connectivity
improve lives" rhetoric which I know after 10 years in this game, is
usually vapour-ware designed to pull down funding.

I also see you have something called HEALTH-E which ethically would
prevent me from offering you any further unpaid support. But I assume
you are not using osmocom in that particular product, correct?

I'd be very interested to know what hardware you are using for Reachnet.
Also please do consider if at all possible, to try to fund the
completion of the codec work.

Many thanks.

Keith.


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From laforge at osmocom.org  Sat Nov  6 09:11:04 2021
From: laforge at osmocom.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2021 10:11:04 +0100
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2022 ?
In-Reply-To: <YYUvFrK4JWLI0EwH@diode>
References: <YYEEG5iH/7FxvHLc@nataraja>
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Message-ID: <YYZGqJ9/vOeFmpWJ@nataraja>

Hi Kevin,

On Fri, Nov 05, 2021 at 02:18:14PM +0100, K?vin Redon wrote:
> I'm also happy to help with the recording and streaming of the public talks for those not able to join on site.

thanks for that, as usual.

-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at osmocom.org>            http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)


From laforge at osmocom.org  Sat Nov  6 09:21:09 2021
From: laforge at osmocom.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2021 10:21:09 +0100
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2022 ?
In-Reply-To: <c925d772-fe0b-fdaf-5eca-88c5b6cae9d0@rhizomatica.org>
References: <YYEEG5iH/7FxvHLc@nataraja> <YYUvFrK4JWLI0EwH@diode>
 <c925d772-fe0b-fdaf-5eca-88c5b6cae9d0@rhizomatica.org>
Message-ID: <YYZJBZ4wCAmuHWsE@nataraja>

Hi Keith,

On Fri, Nov 05, 2021 at 11:55:39AM -0600, Keith wrote:

> Great Kevin, Thanks. This is something not touched upon yet, other than
> assuming that as always, talks would be recorded for consumption by the
> wider community. 

As usual, this is up to the individual speaker[s].

> I assume also that adding some text or video remote
> participation will also not be beyond us. At least for Q&A, Engel - style.

At the very least we can of course simply use #osmocom as channel to ask
questions via text.  But we can certainly also consider running a BBB or
Jitsi session for Q+A.

> Something that occurs to me, but it's not a personal preference,
> attendance is highly unlikely - but is there any reason to plan for late
> April, other than tradition? 

Not really anything beyond tradition and "let's not delay it any
further".  For logistical reasons, it is also good to stay clear of both
easter and whitsun school holidays [hotels / flights will be more busy
then].  So April 11 .. 23 and May 27 .. June 7 should be avoided in 2022.

My current target would have been April 30 .. May 2nd timeframe.

But I'm not fundamentally opposed to a change of schedule, if there are
more people arguing for that, particularly those wanting to attend in
person.

> The few degrees of higher ambient temperature that are likely in late,
> or even mid May would seem to make ventilation so much easier. - My
> preferred venue - OUTSIDE! Remember those days at MarienStr when the
> sun came out, that was great!

IMHO Outdoor is unrealistic for a variety of reasons, if not only for
being able to have sufficient contrast for following a presentation on a
projected screen.  Obviously, there's also weather uncertainty, so you
cannot plan an event outdoor.  Other than putting up large tents, which
then also doesn't really help ventilation...

-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at osmocom.org>            http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)


From kevredon at tsaitgaist.info  Fri Nov  5 07:14:04 2021
From: kevredon at tsaitgaist.info (=?iso-8859-1?Q?K=E9vin?= Redon)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 08:14:04 +0100
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2022 ?
In-Reply-To: <YYEEG5iH/7FxvHLc@nataraja>
References: <YYEEG5iH/7FxvHLc@nataraja>
Message-ID: <YYTZvHA0IfTvu+q7@diode>

On Tue, Nov 02, 2021 at 10:25:47AM +0100, Harald Welte wrote:
> I personally would say let's plan for the usual late April 2022 time frame,
> and if the pandemic situation deteriorates, we can still cancel it with
> something like one month lead time.

I'm also happy to help with the recording and streaming of the public talks for those not able to join on site.
sure, it would not cover all other aspects of a gathering, but provides a light way of participation.

> I would also personally suggest to limit attendance to people who are fully
> vaccinated, and in addition do a self-test for all participants every
> morning.

I don't mind self-testing, particularly for "larger" venues with plenty of prolonged contacts.
they're easy to make and inexpensive, a relative small constraint if it allows to have such an event again.


From laforge at gnumonks.org  Mon Nov  8 12:58:17 2021
From: laforge at gnumonks.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2021 13:58:17 +0100
Subject: Anyone still using mISDN for OpenBSC / OsmoBSC / OsmoMGW ?
Message-ID: <YYke6QCZixbjjbiX@nataraja>

Dear Osmocom users,

the Linux kernel developers are considering to remove mISDN from the
kernel, as can be seen in posts like
https://marc.info/?l=linux-netdev&m=163636911918302&w=2

They are aware that Osmocom still supports mISDN, but it would of course
be interesting if anyone is actually still using this approach.

I've switched to DAHDI a long time ago (4- and 8-port cards for PCIe
available) and only used mISDN very early on with the HFC-E1 in the
2008-2011 timeframe.

These days, I'm using both DAHDI and icE1usb.

IMHO, mISDN based interface cards are becomming less and less
attractive, as the chips only support parallel PCI bus and I've never
seen cards with more than two ports.

So the point of this post is to find out if anyone still is using
[or planning to use] mISDN.  If so, please let me, netdev + Anrd Bergmann
know about it.

Basically it is kind of a "speak now or forever hold your peace" kind of
moment, as mISDN would then likely be phased out from mainline Linux.

Even in that case I think libosmo-abis should keep mISDN support, as
there will be Linux systems on older kernels for many years to come, and
the mISDN support doesn't hurt the rest of our code base in any way.

Regards,
	Harald

-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>           http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)


From andreas at eversberg.eu  Wed Nov 10 06:11:46 2021
From: andreas at eversberg.eu (Andreas Eversberg)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 07:11:46 +0100
Subject: Anyone still using mISDN for OpenBSC / OsmoBSC / OsmoMGW ?
In-Reply-To: <YYke6QCZixbjjbiX@nataraja>
References: <YYke6QCZixbjjbiX@nataraja>
Message-ID: <87ad2225-34aa-0c1f-28cc-62b3f8ffdbcc@eversberg.eu>

Hi Harald,

I don't see why mISDN should be removed from Kernel. Beside talking to 
TDM based GSM equipment, it can be used to connect ISDN phones and 
gateways to make regular phone calls.

I use 'osmo-cc-misdn-endpoint' in conjunction with 
'osmo-cc-sip-endpoint' as a new gateway application to replace LCR. 
(https://osmocom.org/projects/osmo-cc) And there are other users that 
have some kind of gateway setup to interconnect their ISDN equipment to 
SIP. Some of them use LCR, a few others use osmo-cc-*-endpoints.

If there is trouble with current kernel API, I would help to fix it. 
Feel free to forward my opinion to netdev and Arndt Bergmann.

Best regards,

Andreas


Harald Welte wrote:
> IMHO, mISDN based interface cards are becomming less and less
> attractive, as the chips only support parallel PCI bus and I've never
> seen cards with more than two ports.
>
> So the point of this post is to find out if anyone still is using
> [or planning to use] mISDN.  If so, please let me, netdev + Anrd Bergmann
> know about it.
>
> Basically it is kind of a "speak now or forever hold your peace" kind of
> moment, as mISDN would then likely be phased out from mainline Linux.
>
> Even in that case I think libosmo-abis should keep mISDN support, as
> there will be Linux systems on older kernels for many years to come, and
> the mISDN support doesn't hurt the rest of our code base in any way.


From bjoern.riemer at fokus.fraunhofer.de  Wed Nov 10 09:27:41 2021
From: bjoern.riemer at fokus.fraunhofer.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Riemer=2C_Bj=F6rn?=)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 09:27:41 +0000
Subject: pysim-shell: export is missing some files
Message-ID: <c9b6ae7a1667400aa4edcdc007cffd31@fokus.fraunhofer.de>

Hi,

i recently noticed that the `export` command from pysim-shell is failing on some basic files like EF.ICCID.
However if i manually select the file it can be read. This happens on a generic USIM and on the orange sysmousim-SJS1.
see the logs below to illustrate.

Cheers
Bjoern

sysmo usim:
<..snip..>
################################################################################
# Export summary                                                               #
################################################################################
# total files visited: 165
# bad files:           75
#  MF/EF.DIR, string indices must be integers
#  MF/EF.ICCID, string indices must be integers
<...snip...>
pySIM-shell (MF)> select EF.ICCID 
"621e8202412183022fe2a506c00100ca01808a01058b032f06048002000a8800"
pySIM-shell (MF/EF.ICCID)> read_binary_decoded 
{
    "iccid": "8988211000000169394"
}

-------
KDDI USIM:

Using PC/SC reader interface
Waiting for card...
ATR:? [59, 157, 149, 128, 63, 199, 160, 128, 49, 160, 115, 190, 33, 83, 81, 6, 131, 5, 144, 0, 63]
Autodetected card type: Generic-UISIM
AIDs on card:
?USIM: a0000000871002ff81ff108904150001
Welcome to pySim-shell!
pySIM-shell (MF)> select EF.ICCID 
"0000000a2fe204000fffff01020000"
pySIM-shell (MF/EF.ICCID)> read_binary_decoded 
{
??? "iccid": "8981100055906574179"
}
pySIM-shell (MF/EF.ICCID)> select MF
"0000ffff3f0001000000000011b304110400838a838a0000000000000000"
pySIM-shell (MF)> export
################################################################################
# MF/EF.DIR??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? #
################################################################################
# directory: MF (3f00)
# file: EF.DIR (2f00)
# bad file: MF/EF.DIR, string indices must be integers
#
################################################################################
# MF/EF.ICCID????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? #
################################################################################
# directory: MF (3f00)
# file: EF.ICCID (2fe2)
# bad file: MF/EF.ICCID, string indices must be integers
#


From laforge at osmocom.org  Wed Nov 10 16:40:19 2021
From: laforge at osmocom.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 17:40:19 +0100
Subject: Anyone still using mISDN for OpenBSC / OsmoBSC / OsmoMGW ?
In-Reply-To: <87ad2225-34aa-0c1f-28cc-62b3f8ffdbcc@eversberg.eu>
References: <YYke6QCZixbjjbiX@nataraja>
 <87ad2225-34aa-0c1f-28cc-62b3f8ffdbcc@eversberg.eu>
Message-ID: <YYv18zeXZiJzFBL3@nataraja>

Hi Andreas,

I think it is best if you wold reach out to netdev and/or Arndt Bergmann
yourself.

I think the main problem they are trying to solve is that nboody seems to be
maintaining mISDN anymore.  If I remember correctly it was stated that Karsten
Keil is not acive anymore, for example.

If there still are users out there, it should be brought to the attention of
netdev folks.

Regards,
	Harald

On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 07:11:46AM +0100, Andreas Eversberg wrote:
> Hi Harald,
> 
> I don't see why mISDN should be removed from Kernel. Beside talking to TDM
> based GSM equipment, it can be used to connect ISDN phones and gateways to
> make regular phone calls.
> 
> I use 'osmo-cc-misdn-endpoint' in conjunction with 'osmo-cc-sip-endpoint' as
> a new gateway application to replace LCR.
> (https://osmocom.org/projects/osmo-cc) And there are other users that have
> some kind of gateway setup to interconnect their ISDN equipment to SIP. Some
> of them use LCR, a few others use osmo-cc-*-endpoints.
> 
> If there is trouble with current kernel API, I would help to fix it. Feel
> free to forward my opinion to netdev and Arndt Bergmann.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Andreas
> 
> 
> Harald Welte wrote:
> > IMHO, mISDN based interface cards are becomming less and less
> > attractive, as the chips only support parallel PCI bus and I've never
> > seen cards with more than two ports.
> > 
> > So the point of this post is to find out if anyone still is using
> > [or planning to use] mISDN.  If so, please let me, netdev + Anrd Bergmann
> > know about it.
> > 
> > Basically it is kind of a "speak now or forever hold your peace" kind of
> > moment, as mISDN would then likely be phased out from mainline Linux.
> > 
> > Even in that case I think libosmo-abis should keep mISDN support, as
> > there will be Linux systems on older kernels for many years to come, and
> > the mISDN support doesn't hurt the rest of our code base in any way.

-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at osmocom.org>            http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)


From laforge at osmocom.org  Thu Nov 11 08:13:33 2021
From: laforge at osmocom.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2021 09:13:33 +0100
Subject: "OsmoDevCall" on Nov 12, 2021: icE1usb in practice
Message-ID: <YYzQrfXrKnJnOYIY@nataraja>

Dear Osmocom community,

It's my pleasure to announce the next OsmoDevCall at

	November 12, 2021 at 20:00 CET
at
	https://meeting4.franken.de/b/har-xbc-bsx-wvs

This meeting will have the following schedule:

20:00 meet + greet
20:10 presentation "E1 / TDM / PDH / SDH basics" by laforge
20:30 presentation "icE1usb in practice" by tnt
later USSE: unstructured supplementary social event [*]

Attendance is free of charge and open to anyone with an interest
in Osmocom.

More information about OsmoDevCall, including the schedule
for further upcoming events can be found at
https://osmocom.org/projects/osmo-dev-con/wiki/OsmoDevCall

Looking forward to meeting you on Friday.

Best regards,
	Harald

[*] this is how we started to call the "unstructured" part of osmocom
developer conferences in the past, basically where anyone can talk about
anything, no formal schedule or structure.

-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at osmocom.org>            http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)


From laforge at osmocom.org  Mon Nov 15 07:44:13 2021
From: laforge at osmocom.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 08:44:13 +0100
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2022 ?
In-Reply-To: <YYEEG5iH/7FxvHLc@nataraja>
References: <YYEEG5iH/7FxvHLc@nataraja>
Message-ID: <YZIPzazrQs/E3ZwM@nataraja>

Getting back to this discussion,

It has become clear that

* people are interested in an on-site event
* we want a larger venue with more air / space, which still is not a hotel/conference room
  (I'll try to make that happen and am confident)
* daily self-testing is OK

There was a proposal to move it to slightly later in the year (e.g. late May
instead of late April) in order to enjoy better weather, be able to get more
fresh air into the venue, and spend more time outdoor.

So far I only remember Keith making the proposal but no other comments on that.

To me, it doesn't make much of a difference if it's late April or late May, as
long as we stay clear of school holidays (starting may 27).

Given that the COVID-19 situation quickly deteriorates at this point, I also
think a longer delay between winter and the event would be a good idea, as it
means a likely much lower probability of infection during travel, etc.

So, unless anyone has a strong preference for April over May, I will be looking
into organizing a venue for a tentative date of May 19...23.

Regards,
	Harald
-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at osmocom.org>            http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)


From rafael at riseup.net  Mon Nov 15 07:56:01 2021
From: rafael at riseup.net (Rafael Diniz)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 10:56:01 +0300
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2022 ?
In-Reply-To: <YZIPzazrQs/E3ZwM@nataraja>
References: <YYEEG5iH/7FxvHLc@nataraja> <YZIPzazrQs/E3ZwM@nataraja>
Message-ID: <407bd18a-f5a1-5e52-880e-c53bd8bbfc2a@riseup.net>

I do prefer in May also, with a slightly warm weather.

Cheers,
Rafael

On 11/15/21 10:44 AM, Harald Welte wrote:
> Getting back to this discussion,
> 
> It has become clear that
> 
> * people are interested in an on-site event
> * we want a larger venue with more air / space, which still is not a hotel/conference room
>   (I'll try to make that happen and am confident)
> * daily self-testing is OK
> 
> There was a proposal to move it to slightly later in the year (e.g. late May
> instead of late April) in order to enjoy better weather, be able to get more
> fresh air into the venue, and spend more time outdoor.
> 
> So far I only remember Keith making the proposal but no other comments on that.
> 
> To me, it doesn't make much of a difference if it's late April or late May, as
> long as we stay clear of school holidays (starting may 27).
> 
> Given that the COVID-19 situation quickly deteriorates at this point, I also
> think a longer delay between winter and the event would be a good idea, as it
> means a likely much lower probability of infection during travel, etc.
> 
> So, unless anyone has a strong preference for April over May, I will be looking
> into organizing a venue for a tentative date of May 19...23.
> 
> Regards,
> 	Harald
> 

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From nhofmeyr at sysmocom.de  Tue Nov 16 10:54:19 2021
From: nhofmeyr at sysmocom.de (Neels Hofmeyr)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2021 11:54:19 +0100
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2022 ?
In-Reply-To: <YZIPzazrQs/E3ZwM@nataraja>
References: <YYEEG5iH/7FxvHLc@nataraja>
 <YZIPzazrQs/E3ZwM@nataraja>
Message-ID: <20211116105419.GA12613@my.box>

+1 for May and more ventilation etc


From pespin at sysmocom.de  Fri Nov 19 15:42:08 2021
From: pespin at sysmocom.de (Pau Espin Pedrol)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2021 16:42:08 +0100
Subject: Osmocom CNI release 202111
Message-ID: <017f28c3-76e9-aa9f-e701-d746838cabde@sysmocom.de>

Dear all,

I am pleased to announce new tagged releases for Osmocom Cellular 
Network Infrastructure components.

Find more information about the release here [1].

Osmocom "Latest" repositories in OBS [2] should already contain packages 
for the new versions.

OpenEmbedded related meta-layers such as meta-telephony usual 
stable/testing branch "201705" [3] have also been updated to build 
recipes for new versions.

Regards,
Pau

[1] https://osmocom.org/news/152
[2] https://osmocom.org/projects/cellular-infrastructure/wiki/Latest_Builds
[3] https://git.osmocom.org/meta-telephony/log/?h=201705
-- 
- Pau Espin Pedrol <pespin at sysmocom.de>         http://www.sysmocom.de/
=======================================================================
* sysmocom - systems for mobile communications GmbH
* Alt-Moabit 93
* 10559 Berlin, Germany
* Sitz / Registered office: Berlin, HRB 134158 B
* Geschaeftsfuehrer / Managing Director: Harald Welte


From northmirko at gmail.com  Fri Nov 19 17:30:06 2021
From: northmirko at gmail.com (Mirko Kovacevic)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2021 18:30:06 +0100
Subject: Osmocom CNI release 202111
In-Reply-To: <017f28c3-76e9-aa9f-e701-d746838cabde@sysmocom.de>
References: <017f28c3-76e9-aa9f-e701-d746838cabde@sysmocom.de>
Message-ID: <CAMYWRL93uh4XqqYQ_XLVdq05D3vefV4XAj298YwLLeMn+ci-sA@mail.gmail.com>

Great number of changes. Congrats to Osmocom team.

On Fri, 19 Nov 2021, 16:42 Pau Espin Pedrol, <pespin at sysmocom.de> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I am pleased to announce new tagged releases for Osmocom Cellular
> Network Infrastructure components.
>
> Find more information about the release here [1].
>
> Osmocom "Latest" repositories in OBS [2] should already contain packages
> for the new versions.
>
> OpenEmbedded related meta-layers such as meta-telephony usual
> stable/testing branch "201705" [3] have also been updated to build
> recipes for new versions.
>
> Regards,
> Pau
>
> [1] https://osmocom.org/news/152
> [2]
> https://osmocom.org/projects/cellular-infrastructure/wiki/Latest_Builds
> [3] https://git.osmocom.org/meta-telephony/log/?h=201705
> --
> - Pau Espin Pedrol <pespin at sysmocom.de>         http://www.sysmocom.de/
> =======================================================================
> * sysmocom - systems for mobile communications GmbH
> * Alt-Moabit 93
> * 10559 Berlin, Germany
> * Sitz / Registered office: Berlin, HRB 134158 B
> * Geschaeftsfuehrer / Managing Director: Harald Welte
>
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From laforge at osmocom.org  Tue Nov 23 19:04:10 2021
From: laforge at osmocom.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2021 20:04:10 +0100
Subject: "OsmoDevCall" on Nov 25, 2021: Control/User Plane Separation (CUPS)
 + PFCP
Message-ID: <YZ07KkB31oA17BhI@nataraja>

Dear Osmocom community,

It's my pleasure to announce the next OsmoDevCall at

	November 25, 2021 at 20:00 CET (yes, Thursday instead of Friday this time!)
at
	https://meeting4.franken.de/b/har-xbc-bsx-wvs

This meeting will have the following schedule:

20:00 meet + greet
20:10 presentation "Control/User Plane Separation (CUPS) + PFCP" by laforge
21:00 unstructured supplementary social event [*]

Attendance is free of charge and open to anyone with an interest
in Osmocom or open source cellular technologies.

More information about OsmoDevCall, including the schedule
for further upcoming events can be found at
https://osmocom.org/projects/osmo-dev-con/wiki/OsmoDevCall

Looking forward to meeting you on Friday.

Best regards,
	Harald

[*] this is how we started to call the "unstructured" part of osmocom
developer conferences in the past, basically where anyone can talk about
anything, no formal schedule or structure.

-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at osmocom.org>            http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)


From domi at tomcsanyi.net  Wed Nov 24 00:01:41 2021
From: domi at tomcsanyi.net (Tomcsanyi, Domonkos)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 01:01:41 +0100
Subject: "OsmoDevCall" on Nov 25,
 2021: Control/User Plane Separation (CUPS) + PFCP
In-Reply-To: <YZ07KkB31oA17BhI@nataraja>
References: <YZ07KkB31oA17BhI@nataraja>
Message-ID: <90D11810-3DC7-4A7C-A3B2-80F9A69DA5D4@tomcsanyi.net>

Hi Harald,

> 23.11.2021 d?tummal, 20:11 id?pontban Harald Welte <laforge at osmocom.org> ?rta:
> 
> Looking forward to meeting you on Friday.

You meant Thursday I assume :-) :-)

Cheers,
Domi

From ivan.babanov at gmail.com  Sat Nov 27 19:45:53 2021
From: ivan.babanov at gmail.com (Ivan Babanov)
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2021 22:45:53 +0300
Subject: AGCH Channel via virtual Um
Message-ID: <CACWjWChAM7kUZ=nLgkUC51a4sK5qGi_+pF18ao13WwcTgrRj5A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all!
I'm sorry for a stupid question, but I can't find an answer by myself.
We are using Osmocom solution in University to demonstrate to students
how GSM works.
We have and fully virtualized workplaces with osm-bts-virtual and
osmocom-bb UE via virtual Um.
We are making an IMSI Attach procedure and capturing traces with
wireshark. Virtual Um messages are visible in wireshark traces  with
"gsmtap" filter. According standart description, after RACH request UE
should receive channel assignment via AGCH channel. But AGCH is not
visible in traces. Am I wrong in my expectations somewhere? I tried to
filter out messages, tried to filter gsmtap.chan_type == 4 but still
no luck.

Thank you
Vania