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Harald Welte laforge at gnumonks.orgHi Neels, thanks for getting this discussion going. On Sun, Sep 03, 2017 at 05:39:12AM +0200, Neels Hofmeyr wrote: > (So far I understood the wiki page "Make a new release" referring to only these > individual git repository versions, but we must clarify the two different > concepts on that page and at least refer to a package feed wiki page.) We should make sure not call anything "release" which is not an "osmocom release" i.e. what oyu called the global package feeds such as "OsmocomCellNet-17.12" which is the "17.12 release". We should find different wording for what the wiki page by Max describes in terms of "tagging a new version in a single repository". > To avoid confusion, rather than talking of "release" it could help to talk of > "package feed" versus "git version tag". See my comment above. We should not talk about a "release" in any other context than the time-based global ones. > > master branch is expected to depend on latest master branches of depended-upon projects > > The master branch HEADs are in constant flux, the requirement that each master > works with the other latest masters is more of a daily development requirement > enforced by our gerrit +V builds. For feeds and tags, we should not even > mention "master branch" anywhere. Rather, the entire process *must* refer to > specific version tags *everywhere*. Full ACK. > But I'm not entirely sure how to put it. It is possible that we already have > libosmo-foo 1.2.3 out, but osmo-bar also still builds fine with libosmo-foo > 1.2.1. > > I guess all we need is that configure.ac version requirements are accurate. We > will not always have to depend on the latest version number that's out, and if > older ones work, ./configure should *not* require the most recent version. > > How to verify? I guess a version tag of osmo-X must verify > - that building with the precise minimal versions requested in configure.ac > works > AND > - that building with the currently latest tagged version of each depended-upon > project also works > AND > - that building with each intermittent version of each dependency also works??? Full ACK. > That's turning out rather complex ... maybe verifying with only the oldest > required and the latest tagged versions is enough? Fine with me, but given that we only want to release once every three months, I think a longer build job that iterates over a handful of package versions is not unfeasible. But certainly not the highest priority. > > make release of depended-upon projects if necessary before making non-library project release > > So, are you saying, if foo needs bar which needs baz, releasing foo requires > also releasing bar, in turn needing a release of baz first? > ... "if necessary" :) > > To spell it out: this is not necessarily required; only when foo is using new > API of bar that is not available in a tagged version of bar yet are we forced > to make a version tag of bar and depend on it. > > BTW, this is implicit by "it must build with the version requested by > configure.ac". ACK. > > Deprecation policy > > I think we should never remove deprecated functions unless it would cause us > inhumane pain to still include them. Dropping them would require a major > version bump. ACK. Yes, so one could say "if we already bump the major version [libversion], we can at that time optionally remove deprecated functions if we think it significantly simplifies maintenance. > Finally, I tried to call 'make release' but face these problems: > > ▶ make release > /bin/bash: bumpversion: command not found > > ▶ apt-cache search bumpversion > (no results) > > Though I find 'bumpversion' on packages.debian.org, I am unable to install it > with 'apt-get'. > https://packages.debian.org/buster/bumpversion > It says "Packages / buster (testing) / devel / bumpversion" > ...do I need to add "devel" to my apt sources somehow? > > Do we really need bumpversion? Can I instead bump the version manually? I was also seriously surprised that we introduce a dependency that is not even available in all our supported distributions. In order to fix the fall-out from the related changes, I had to add a 'bumpversion' package build to the OBS for the nightly builds. Hence I would also be very happy if we can see that dependency go again. I don't like the tendency to add more dependencies to external packages everywhere without a *very* strong reason. Whether it's bumpversion or gnulib or anything else like that. Regards, Harald -- - Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org> http://laforge.gnumonks.org/ ============================================================================ "Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option." (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)