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Keith keith at rhizomatica.orgOn 03/11/2017 12:59, Neels Hofmeyr wrote: > So instead of compromising net neutrality by giving the rich more bandwidth, > you do it by cutting the big ones out instead ;) Hi Neels! Net Neutrality is a non-thing. It doesn't exist. Never has, never will. Therefore it cannot be compromised. While many net-freedom activists and net celebs have created a lot of blah blah blah and patted themselves on the back in recent years over this, the de-facto reality remains that the network infrastructure has never been free or anything that even resembles any definition of "free". Ask anybody who has had their small server DDOS'd off the network for political reasons, or any other reason. Today's internet belongs to the corporations and everyday more to those that control the physical infra, and those that have CDNs and POPs in every provider's datacentre. You simply cannot compete with that. The internet is pure capitalist, if you have money to buy access, you can have access and bandwidth to supply services, if not, then f**k you. Take a look at the price to the average consumer of anything more than a 256K or even 128K uplink in Mexico. The whole concept of "net neutrality" is toxic. Everytime we say or write the phrase, somewhere in the world, a baby penguin dies. My apologies to the list for drifting dangerously off topic. It (probably) won't happen again. ;-) k/