From nhofmeyr at sysmocom.de  Mon Jul 29 15:12:11 2019
From: nhofmeyr at sysmocom.de (Neels Hofmeyr)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 17:12:11 +0200
Subject: Osmocom Village at CCC Camp 2019
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I am noting possible duplication in effort preparing the camp as well as
digital infrastructure.  Apparently bibor and lynxis aim to manage wiki etc on
code.fe80.eu and the event-orga ML, and Osmocom to be part of the Singularity
City. In contrast, this Osmocom Village mail seems to suggest a separate
village and wiki+ML. I also at some point noted separate efforts made by
different people for setting up a large Osmocom tent, IIUC.

I'm not sure how to consolidate, but I get the strong feeling that bibor,
lynxis and laforge should talk about the camp preparations to avoid "aneinander
vorbeireden", confusion and redundant efforts ... ?

~N

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 06:54:04PM +0200, Harald Welte wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> I've been asked by a number of pepole about a possible Osmocom village at the
> CCC Camp 2019.  I personally didn't really have any plans, but given related
> e-mails and "encouragement" I went ahead and registered an "Osmocom Village",
> see
> 	https://signup.c3assemblies.de/assembly/3b8f7aa2-95d5-4c44-aadc-de8f2680e9c3
> 
> I also created a wiki page (as nobody else did, despite earlier discussion on IRC,
> SCNR) for coordinating related efforts at
> 	https://osmocom.org/projects/osmo-dev-con/wiki/CCC_Camp_2019
> 
> One of the bigger questions is about having a tent as well as some tables/benches
> to sit on and work.  The Camp orga team nas been negotiating rates with a tent
> rental company, but to be honest I'm rather surprised by the extremely steep
> pricing.  The smallest possible tent (6m x 3m) would cost 825 EUR.  I'm not
> sure we want to raise that amount of money?  Even if we'd be 10 people sharing
> it, its still 82.50 EUR per person.  And that excludes any tables/chairs.
> 
> I'm attaching the relevant parts of a mail from the assemblies orga team FYI.
> 
> Please note there also is some kind of fragmentation / overlap with the
> team planning to run the GSM/3G networks at the camp, see Lynxis'
> related post at
> https://lists.osmocom.org/mailman/private/osmocom-event-orga/2019-June/000362.html
> 
> It's questionable whether it makes sense to have tow distinct
> 'villages', but given that e.g. I don't know anyone of that singularity
> city, I'm not sure if we'd either be welcome there, nor whether we'd
> want to associate us with them?  Also, while the GSM network operation
> for sure has good reasons to mingle with the POC and whatever facilities
> they have, I'm not sure if the wider Osmocom community attendees
> unrelated to the GSM network operation wouldn't just be a
> disturbance/nuisance.
> 
> In the end, to be honest, I personally do not feel I have the time and
> mental capacity to take on any additional tasks in terms of organizing
> anything.  I just created the entry in c3assemblies as I was asked to,
> and I similarly created the related mailing list and wiki page.
> 
> So please, anyone interested in making an Osmocom village happen one way
> or another, step up [and continue this discussion on the
> camp2019-village at lists.osmocom.org mailing list, without crossposting
> everywhere else :)
> 
> Regards,
> 	Harald
> -- 
> - Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>           http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
> ============================================================================
> "Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
>                                                   (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)

> Ticket sale is over. There are no more tickets available. There will be no ticket sale on site. That means
> you should know how many will join your village. In the next days we start planning the placing of the
> assemblies, we need your help.
> 
> Please update your village registration at [3] https://signup.c3assemblies.de/ with the number of people
> who will join, extra space you require, power requirements, and such. Please write all information to be
> considered in the village registration form.
> 
> There have been some frequently asked questions in the last weeks. So we want to address some topics here:
> 
> Tents/Tables/Benches/Construction Wood:
> Prebuilt tents, tables, benches and wood can be borrowed or bought via the presale system: [4]
> https://tickets.events.ccc.de/camp2019hw/. For now there are only tents because we need to order them
> soon. The rest will follow and can be bought with the same voucher. You will recieve a voucher with this
> email (see below). The earlier you order your stuff, the more likely we can provide what you want.
> Especially tents might be in short supply. Please remember bringing cash for the mandatory deposit of ?
> 100,- for renting tables and benches.
> 
> Water:
> We want to remind you, if you bring cooking equipment, there will be no direct fresh water and waste water
> supply for your kitchen. We will have some central places with fresh water supply and where you can wash
> your kitchen utensiles and dishes.
> 
> Power:
> Power will be generated from diesel with power generators. All engergy you'll use will have to be
> generated. Think about our environment and use as little power as possible. For that reason, there is no
> possibility to fulfill high power demands for pizza ovens, saunas and alike. If you need cooling for your
> food supplies, please think about your refrigeration requirements. Less is more. And please bring enough
> outdoor and rain proof extension cables to connect your tents and equipment.
> 
> Fire:
> Open wood or coal fire is not allowed at any time. That applies for anything that needs heat for kitchen
> usage. If you need heat, please bring your own safe gas-based camping heaters.
> 
> Waste:
> Of course there will be containers for waste, paper and glass on the camp site. But the camp tries to be
> as sustainable and ecological as possible. So please consider bringing reusable dishes and cutlery. Also
> think about bringing a refillable water bottle for this is the more ecological alternative to bottled
> water. The tap water is perfectly drinkable.
> 
> Wiki:
> There will be no automatic transfer of your data from the village registration tool to the wiki. Please
> create your own Wiki page using the form at [5] https://events.ccc.de/camp/2019/wiki/Form:Village if you
> want your village appear in the wiki. Please be aware that the only valid place for village registration
> is [6] https://signup.c3assemblies.de/
> 
> Timeline:
> 14.8: Buildup: Only for angels who help with buildup and registered at the orga- or angelsystem with their dates
> 16.8: People can start to build up their villages, no power or network yet
> 19.8: Power is probably(!) available from now
> 21.8: Offical start of the CCCamp19 \o/
> 25.8: Last day of the CCCamp19, start of disassembly in the evening
> 28.8: Last day of disassembly, all must be finished no later than this day. If you stay 27th/28th, you are
> expected to help out!
> 
> Please see [7] https://events.ccc.de/camp/2019/wiki/Timeline for recent updates.
> 
> [1] https://signup.c3assemblies.de/
> [2] https://tickets.events.ccc.de/camp2019hw/
> [3] https://signup.c3assemblies.de/
> [4] https://tickets.events.ccc.de/camp2019hw/
> [5] https://events.ccc.de/camp/2019/wiki/Form:Village
> [6] https://signup.c3assemblies.de/
> [7] https://events.ccc.de/camp/2019/wiki/Timeline
> 


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From laforge at gnumonks.org  Mon Jul 29 18:55:29 2019
From: laforge at gnumonks.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 20:55:29 +0200
Subject: Osmocom Village at CCC Camp 2019
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 <20190729151211.GB8364@my.box>
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Hi Neels,

On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 05:12:11PM +0200, Neels Hofmeyr wrote:
> I am noting possible duplication in effort preparing the camp as well as
> digital infrastructure.  Apparently bibor and lynxis aim to manage wiki etc on
> code.fe80.eu and the event-orga ML, and Osmocom to be part of the Singularity
> City. In contrast, this Osmocom Village mail seems to suggest a separate
> village and wiki+ML. I also at some point noted separate efforts made by
> different people for setting up a large Osmocom tent, IIUC.

I think the "problem" here is that we have two disjunct communities:

1) The wider "Osmocom and friends" community, consisting of people related to
   Osmocom projects unrelated to GSM/cellular, but even reaching into the gnuradio
   crowd, who had historically also been sharing the Osmocom village.  This is about
   bringing together people working on various SDR / communications related topics
   for "hanging out, chatting, ...".  As I wrote before, people have reached out to
   me about this for months.

2) The "post LaF0rge" team operating the 2G/3G network at CCC events.  I see that
   as a rather "production oriented" team which has to work closely with the POC,
   etc. and which shouldn't be bothered/distracted by people who are not
   involved in that.

> I'm not sure how to consolidate, but I get the strong feeling that bibor,
> lynxis and laforge should talk about the camp preparations to avoid "aneinander
> vorbeireden", confusion and redundant efforts ... ?

I'm always open to discuss, but after months of public posts on this
ando ther mailing lists, I'm not sure what there is to add.  In short:

* both villages are now part of Singularity City
* Osmocom Village has no separate tent/infrastructure but people will
  hang out at the singularity city hackcenter.

Regards,
	Harald
-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>           http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)