From alexander.chemeris at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 19:20:14 2013
From: alexander.chemeris at gmail.com (Alexander Chemeris)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 20:20:14 +0100
Subject: [ANNOUNCE] OsmoDevCon 2013-04-04 till 2013-04-07, Berlin
In-Reply-To: <CABmJbFV54NTgm6+Sw4846q_=fh-2_PQAOUDpJdwfyg-cO13Psg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20130226203028.GK1262@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
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Message-ID: <CABmJbFUm7Gwr3DaRbisWe3wRqHO+Q2zFJhf_9iiH-1iM9NyceQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Harald,

I see Ivan and me in the list of confirmed attendees here:
http://openbsc.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/OsmoDevCon2013, but I don't see
Dmitri there. Did you simply miss him or there is some issue with him
attending?

I'm pretty sure Jean-Samuel will be willing to attend as well. Is that
fine with you? He is very much into the topic and even though he
doesn't develop things himself, he funds some of the development.

Thomas Tsou was also interested in attending - is he fine with you?
He's doing great job with OpenBTS's transceiver and with the work
Andreas is doing now, this transceiver will be used with OsmoBTS and
will become a part of the Osmo* suite.

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Alexander Chemeris
<alexander.chemeris at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Harald,
>
> I think Dmitri, Ivan and new will be willing to attend. Dimitri and me are
> in Barcelona right now, so it's a bit hard to coordinate with the rest of
> the team. We'll confirm as soon as we get back to Moscow.
>
> Please excuse typos. Written with a touchscreen keyboard.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Alexander Chemeris
> CEO/Founder Fairwaves LLC
> http://fairwaves.ru
>
> On Feb 26, 2013 9:57 PM, "Harald Welte" <laforge at gnumonks.org> wrote:
>>
>> Dear fellow Osmcoom developers,
>>
>> it is my pleasure to finally announce the date + venue of OsmoDevCon
>> 2013:
>>
>>         Date: April 04 through April 07, 2013
>>
>>         Place: IN-Berlin, Lehrter Str. 53, Berlin
>>
>> Like last year, this is an event for developers of the various Osmocom
>> proejects.  Reservation and confirmation of reservation is required.
>>
>> The event is free of charge.  The Room is made available by IN-Berlin
>> e.V., an Internet related non-profit organization.  Lunch catering will
>> be sponsored (so far by sysmocom GmbH, but if any other sponsors come
>> up, we are happy to share the cost).
>>
>> So all you have to cover is your own travel + accomodation costs, as
>> well as breakfast and dinner.  If you are an active developer and cannot
>> afford travel/accomodation, please let me know and I'll see if we can do
>> something about it.
>>
>> If you would like to attend, please send a message to
>> laforge at gnumonks.org applying for registration of the event.  The
>> registration deadline is March 5, i.e. one week from now.
>>
>> There is no detailed schedule of talks yet.  I will start a separate
>> discussion suggesting / collecting topics in the next couple of days.
>>
>> More information is (and will be made) available at
>> http://openbsc.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/OsmoDevCon2013
>>
>> Further discussion regarding the event should be directed at the
>> osmocom-event-orga at lists.osmocom.org mailing list, to avoid
>> cross-posting over the various project-specific lists.
>>
>> Best regards and happy hacking,
>>         Harald
>> --
>> - Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>
>> http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
>>
>> ============================================================================
>> "Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
>>                                                   (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch.
>> A6)



--
Regards,
Alexander Chemeris.
CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ??? ???????
http://fairwaves.ru



From hej at c3pb.de  Sun Mar  3 10:01:54 2013
From: hej at c3pb.de (Helge Jung)
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2013 11:01:54 +0100
Subject: GSM at EasterHegg?
Message-ID: <51331F92.8090504@c3pb.de>

Hi everybody,

a couple of weeks ago we asked if you like to host a GSM network at the
EasterHegg 2013 in Paderborn (the POC is there, too). We received some
individual feedback, but it seems that nobody from the "core" team has
said "yes" yet (which means, if I understood that correctly, the sim
cards from previous events wouldn't be working).

We have successfully applied for a GSM license and got ARFCNs 865 and
871 assigned by the BNetzA. Later, we want to experiment with the C121
used as a basestation for some SMS stuff but the phones won't be able to
run a full voice network. So we're looking for rental hardware and, more
importantly, for people able to operate it. One idea we had was testing
out "IPv6 over GPRS" - I don't know if that's interesting for you?

Kevin and Nico from TU Berlin said we could possibly have their devices
for the event but still we need YOU :-)

Regards,
  Helge.



From peter at stuge.se  Sun Mar  3 12:28:48 2013
From: peter at stuge.se (Peter Stuge)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 13:28:48 +0100
Subject: GSM at EasterHegg?
In-Reply-To: <51331F92.8090504@c3pb.de>
References: <51331F92.8090504@c3pb.de>
Message-ID: <20130303122848.10648.qmail@stuge.se>

Hi Helge,

Helge Jung wrote:
> a couple of weeks ago we asked if you like to host a GSM network at the
> EasterHegg 2013 in Paderborn (the POC is there, too). We received some
> individual feedback, but it seems that nobody from the "core" team has
> said "yes" yet (which means, if I understood that correctly, the sim
> cards from previous events wouldn't be working).

As far as I know me, Max and Nico are going. Since CCC Camp I'm part
of the core team that runs test networks, and I'll bring the server
that we've been using since 28c3. (It also has data from the earlier
test networks.)

I'll talk to Holger about bringing some two-digit number of new SIMs.

During 29C3 Max and I worked on backhaul integration between OpenBTS
and OpenBSC. We'd like to try to repeat the success as well as make
some improvements during EH.


> We have successfully applied for a GSM license and got ARFCNs 865 and
> 871 assigned by the BNetzA. Later, we want to experiment with the C121
> used as a basestation for some SMS stuff but the phones won't be able to
> run a full voice network. So we're looking for rental hardware

Among the three of us we will bring enough hardware for a "normal"
network, some nanoBTS and some sysmoBTS units. Besides the 262 42
network it's of course fine to also do other experiments as you like.


> and, more importantly, for people able to operate it. One idea
> we had was testing out "IPv6 over GPRS" - I don't know if that's
> interesting for you?

I'm not sure if some bits are still missing for that. Personally not
interested enough to work on it, but I think it would be interesting
if someone else does.


> Kevin and Nico from TU Berlin said we could possibly have their
> devices for the event but still we need YOU :-)

See you there. Do you have a rough idea when you start setting up?


//Peter



From laforge at gnumonks.org  Sun Mar  3 15:18:44 2013
From: laforge at gnumonks.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 15:18:44 +0000
Subject: GSM at EasterHegg?
In-Reply-To: <20130303122848.10648.qmail@stuge.se>
References: <51331F92.8090504@c3pb.de>
 <20130303122848.10648.qmail@stuge.se>
Message-ID: <20130303151844.GA11836@prithivi.gnumonks.org>

Hi all

JFYI: The time is extremely short for still applying for a test license,
in case you haven't done that already.

On Sun, Mar 03, 2013 at 01:28:48PM +0100, Peter Stuge wrote:
> As far as I know me, Max and Nico are going. Since CCC Camp I'm part
> of the core team that runs test networks, and I'll bring the server
> that we've been using since 28c3. (It also has data from the earlier
> test networks.)

great!

> I'll talk to Holger about bringing some two-digit number of new SIMs.

shouldn't be a problem.

> > and, more importantly, for people able to operate it. One idea
> > we had was testing out "IPv6 over GPRS" - I don't know if that's
> > interesting for you?
> 
> I'm not sure if some bits are still missing for that. Personally not
> interested enough to work on it, but I think it would be interesting
> if someone else does.

It is not much that is required, but definitely more than just a couple
of hours of hacking both on the SGSN and (even more so) on the GGSN
side.  I always wanted to do it, but it's a low-priority item.

We might be doing a (paid, free sotware) new GGSN soon, so I had one
more excuse to not work on it recently...

So for easterhegg: Unlesss somebody really familiar with OsmoSGSN and
OpenGGSN magically appears and has a lot of time before the event, I
don't think it will happen.

Regards,
	Harald
-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>           http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)



From alexander.chemeris at gmail.com  Sun Mar  3 21:09:00 2013
From: alexander.chemeris at gmail.com (Alexander Chemeris)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 01:09:00 +0400
Subject: GSM at EasterHegg?
In-Reply-To: <20130303151844.GA11836@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
References: <51331F92.8090504@c3pb.de> <20130303122848.10648.qmail@stuge.se>
	<20130303151844.GA11836@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
Message-ID: <CABmJbFVYMrpE1nREp16m9DADpgFuoki3zFzOzLUSmHYwBmBqYg@mail.gmail.com>

03.03.2013 20:36 ???????????? "Harald Welte" <laforge at gnumonks.org> ???????:
> We might be doing a (paid, free sotware) new GGSN soon, so I had one
> more excuse to not work on it recently...

Which language do you plan to use?

Sent from my Android device.

--
Regards,
Alexander Chemeris
CEO, Fairwaves LLC
http://fairwaves.ru
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From laforge at gnumonks.org  Sun Mar  3 21:54:51 2013
From: laforge at gnumonks.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 21:54:51 +0000
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2013 / Schedule / Call for Topics
In-Reply-To: <20130227183108.20810.qmail@stuge.se>
References: <20130227161953.GS1262@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
	<20130227183108.20810.qmail@stuge.se>
Message-ID: <20130303215451.GE22207@prithivi.gnumonks.org>

Hi Peter,

On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 07:31:08PM +0100, Peter Stuge wrote:
> * Subscriber management
> (phonebooks for preloading on SIMs, extension management, etc)
> [...]
> * OpenBSC database code and schema changes
> * OpenSMSC code sprint

I added it to the wiki, thanks.  I hope others will bring forward more
suggestions so we can fill some more spots in the schedule.

For Talks, I'm also planning some 15minute slots for small topics.  Not
quite a lightning talk, but an opportunity to quickly introduce a topic
that somebody has been wokring on, to make others aware.   This e.g.
includes the work Dieter has been doing on feeding Qualcomm 3G DBG
messages into GSMTAP (similar to tobias' xgoldmon), or the
brainstorming/evaluation on how to drive CPRI/OBSAI based radio heads
from your own code.

Regards,
	Harald
-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>           http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)



From laforge at gnumonks.org  Sun Mar  3 22:15:35 2013
From: laforge at gnumonks.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 22:15:35 +0000
Subject: [ANNOUNCE] OsmoDevCon 2013-04-04 till 2013-04-07, Berlin
In-Reply-To: <CABmJbFUm7Gwr3DaRbisWe3wRqHO+Q2zFJhf_9iiH-1iM9NyceQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20130226203028.GK1262@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
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	<CABmJbFUm7Gwr3DaRbisWe3wRqHO+Q2zFJhf_9iiH-1iM9NyceQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130303221535.GF22207@prithivi.gnumonks.org>

Hi Alexander,

On Sat, Mar 02, 2013 at 08:20:14PM +0100, Alexander Chemeris wrote:

> I see Ivan and me in the list of confirmed attendees here:
> http://openbsc.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/OsmoDevCon2013, but I don't see
> Dmitri there. Did you simply miss him or there is some issue with him
> attending?

Sorry, I didn't have his name on the list from last year when I copied
it, so that's probably why it got dropped.

> I'm pretty sure Jean-Samuel will be willing to attend as well. Is that
> fine with you? He is very much into the topic and even though he
> doesn't develop things himself, he funds some of the development.

I don't see any issues [except the fact that we might have to prioritize
if the list of registrations gets too long].

> Thomas Tsou was also interested in attending - is he fine with you?
> He's doing great job with OpenBTS's transceiver and with the work
> Andreas is doing now, this transceiver will be used with OsmoBTS and
> will become a part of the Osmo* suite.

I think it would be beneficial to have him attend, even though it goes
borderline with a narrow definition of 'osmocom developer'.  The latter
is probably even more true for Dmitri.

Please don't get me wrong.  I whole-heartedly endores and applaud their
work, and I do think it makes sense to have them arround.  It's only
_if_ we run into capacity constraints with the venue, then I think
osmocom developers in a narrower sense would have higher priority.

If all confirmed people plus the 5 currently marked "not yet applied"
(horizon, dbugress, pablo, jolly, tsaitgaist) attend, then we are at 20
- even without Thomas, Dmitry and Jean-Samuel.  And to be honest, I
definitely want people like Horizon, Pablo, Kevin and Andreas to attend,
as they actually contribute large portions of the existing code base
(or Simtrace hardware in case of Kevin).

And I do not want to have more than 20 people at the venue.  That's
already considerably larger than last year.  There is a fine line
between creating a creative, productive environment of those really
active in the project, and inviting more people in the vicinity of the
project which removes the cozy "everyone knows everyone and we all work
together" feeling that is important for the motivation of some,
particularly wokrking on the more security oriented topics.

And what I really would like to avoid is having people at the event to
just hang out there because it is cool to hang out there.

So the logical course of action is:

* give priority to osmocom developers and give them a chance to apply
  first
* offer remaining seats to other people, if they are remaining

Finally, let me stress that I don't want to be a dictator.  If there is
disagreement in the community about this course of action, I'm very
happy to hear about it and change the policy.  Searching again for a
larger venue is not an option for me, given the close timing.

Regards,
	Harald
-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>           http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)



From laforge at gnumonks.org  Sun Mar  3 22:40:17 2013
From: laforge at gnumonks.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 22:40:17 +0000
Subject: GSM at EasterHegg?
In-Reply-To: <CABmJbFVYMrpE1nREp16m9DADpgFuoki3zFzOzLUSmHYwBmBqYg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51331F92.8090504@c3pb.de> <20130303122848.10648.qmail@stuge.se>
	<20130303151844.GA11836@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
	<CABmJbFVYMrpE1nREp16m9DADpgFuoki3zFzOzLUSmHYwBmBqYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130303224017.GI22207@prithivi.gnumonks.org>

Hi Alexander,

On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 01:09:00AM +0400, Alexander Chemeris wrote:
> 03.03.2013 20:36 ???????????? "Harald Welte" <laforge at gnumonks.org> ???????:
> > We might be doing a (paid, free sotware) new GGSN soon, so I had one
> > more excuse to not work on it recently...
> 
> Which language do you plan to use?

For a GGSN?  Come on.  GGSNs are user plane devices that have to pump
gigabits and gigabits of data.  The only logical choice is an
implementation in pure C, with the user plane inside the linux kernel
(like most other packet tunneling systems like ppp, ipsec, l2tp,
pppoe,...) and only the control plane handled by a small userspace
daemeon.

Regards,
	Harald
-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>           http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)



From alexander.chemeris at gmail.com  Sun Mar  3 22:49:38 2013
From: alexander.chemeris at gmail.com (Alexander Chemeris)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 02:49:38 +0400
Subject: GSM at EasterHegg?
In-Reply-To: <20130303224017.GI22207@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
References: <51331F92.8090504@c3pb.de> <20130303122848.10648.qmail@stuge.se>
	<20130303151844.GA11836@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
	<CABmJbFVYMrpE1nREp16m9DADpgFuoki3zFzOzLUSmHYwBmBqYg@mail.gmail.com>
	<20130303224017.GI22207@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
Message-ID: <CABmJbFXYXUfG4h1N_zPJ0qR6O9HF8htf+9sgDQz-J2-j5t7YHA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 2:40 AM, Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org> wrote:
> Hi Alexander,
>
> On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 01:09:00AM +0400, Alexander Chemeris wrote:
>> 03.03.2013 20:36 ???????????? "Harald Welte" <laforge at gnumonks.org> ???????:
>> > We might be doing a (paid, free sotware) new GGSN soon, so I had one
>> > more excuse to not work on it recently...
>>
>> Which language do you plan to use?
>
> For a GGSN?  Come on.  GGSNs are user plane devices that have to pump
> gigabits and gigabits of data.  The only logical choice is an
> implementation in pure C, with the user plane inside the linux kernel
> (like most other packet tunneling systems like ppp, ipsec, l2tp,
> pppoe,...) and only the control plane handled by a small userspace
> daemeon.

Yeah, just checking. :)

-- 
Regards,
Alexander Chemeris.
CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ??? ???????
http://fairwaves.ru



From peter at stuge.se  Mon Mar  4 00:21:10 2013
From: peter at stuge.se (Peter Stuge)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 01:21:10 +0100
Subject: GSM at EasterHegg?
In-Reply-To: <20130303151844.GA11836@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
References: <51331F92.8090504@c3pb.de> <20130303122848.10648.qmail@stuge.se>
	<20130303151844.GA11836@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
Message-ID: <20130304002110.1503.qmail@stuge.se>

Harald Welte wrote:
> JFYI: The time is extremely short for still applying for a test license,
> in case you haven't done that already.

Just a note that Helge&co already have applied and have been assigned
a test license for two ARFCNs.


//Peter



From peter at stuge.se  Mon Mar  4 01:38:28 2013
From: peter at stuge.se (Peter Stuge)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 02:38:28 +0100
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2013 / Schedule / Call for Topics
In-Reply-To: <20130303215451.GE22207@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
References: <20130227161953.GS1262@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
	<20130227183108.20810.qmail@stuge.se>
	<20130303215451.GE22207@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
Message-ID: <20130304013828.7533.qmail@stuge.se>

Harald Welte wrote:
> > * Subscriber management
> > (phonebooks for preloading on SIMs, extension management, etc)
..
> For Talks, I'm also planning some 15minute slots for small topics.

I think the subscriber management would fit in there. I want to share
some thoughts about what might be useful so far, and maybe have a bit
of brainstorming.


//Peter



From peter at stuge.se  Mon Mar  4 01:56:48 2013
From: peter at stuge.se (Peter Stuge)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 02:56:48 +0100
Subject: [ANNOUNCE] OsmoDevCon 2013-04-04 till 2013-04-07, Berlin
In-Reply-To: <20130303221535.GF22207@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
References: <20130226203028.GK1262@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
	<CABmJbFV54NTgm6+Sw4846q_=fh-2_PQAOUDpJdwfyg-cO13Psg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABmJbFUm7Gwr3DaRbisWe3wRqHO+Q2zFJhf_9iiH-1iM9NyceQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20130303221535.GF22207@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
Message-ID: <20130304015648.8928.qmail@stuge.se>

Harald Welte wrote:
> If there is disagreement in the community about this course of
> action, I'm very happy to hear about it and change the policy.

I think it's valuable to have everyone with the right kind of
interest present, even if they aren't (yet?) strong contributors.

Some more seats can always be arrange. 40 instead of 20 not really,
but I think a bit more than 20 could still work. I think it helps
that some faces will be familiar already from 29C3.

I generally agree with the plan to note interest also from those
who aren't direct developers, and that more developers get seats
first, but I think we should try to make room for everyone. Let's
see what the numbers end up being.


> Searching again for a larger venue is not an option for me, given
> the close timing.

I agree with that. There are "easy" larger venues but they are super
expensive, going for something like that doesn't really make sense.


//Peter



From Max.Suraev at fairwaves.ru  Mon Mar  4 09:17:53 2013
From: Max.Suraev at fairwaves.ru (=?UTF-8?B?4piO?=)
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 10:17:53 +0100
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2013 / Schedule / Call for Topics
In-Reply-To: <20130303215451.GE22207@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
References: <20130227161953.GS1262@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
	<20130227183108.20810.qmail@stuge.se>
	<20130303215451.GE22207@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
Message-ID: <513466C1.6070406@fairwaves.ru>

03.03.2013 22:54, Harald Welte ?????:

> For Talks, I'm also planning some 15minute slots for small topics.  Not
> quite a lightning talk, but an opportunity to quickly introduce a topic
> that somebody has been wokring on, to make others aware.

I'd like to grab one of those for a5/3 implementation overview.

-- 
best regards,
Max, http://fairwaves.ru



From Max.Suraev at fairwaves.ru  Mon Mar  4 09:18:55 2013
From: Max.Suraev at fairwaves.ru (=?UTF-8?B?4piO?=)
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 10:18:55 +0100
Subject: GSM at EasterHegg?
In-Reply-To: <20130303122848.10648.qmail@stuge.se>
References: <51331F92.8090504@c3pb.de> <20130303122848.10648.qmail@stuge.se>
Message-ID: <513466FF.3050606@fairwaves.ru>

03.03.2013 13:28, Peter Stuge ?????:

> As far as I know me, Max and Nico are going. 

I can confirm "Max" part at least :)


-- 
best regards,
Max, http://fairwaves.ru



From alexander.chemeris at gmail.com  Mon Mar  4 10:20:36 2013
From: alexander.chemeris at gmail.com (Alexander Chemeris)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 14:20:36 +0400
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2013 / Schedule / Call for Topics
In-Reply-To: <20130227161953.GS1262@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
References: <20130227161953.GS1262@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
Message-ID: <CABmJbFVkLBr4JM445cbpDs9CEJ+2BrDzH4qX74Z9s8Q5nOhxwQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Feb 27, 2013 9:25 PM, "Harald Welte" <laforge at gnumonks.org> wrote:
>
> Hi all!
>
> == Working Groups / Code Sprints ==
>
> At IN-Berlin, we will have multiple rooms available, not just one main
> room where we can all meet.  This has the advantage that "Special
> Interest Groups" can form and spend time in one of the otehr rooms
> without interfering with whatever might be going on in the main room.
>
> == Talks / Scheudling ==
>
> It was requested that we don't fill the entire schedule with talks,
> otherwise people might be hesitant to split away into a working group
> and get practical work done.
>
> Therefore, the suggestion is to have either two days of talks/workshops
> in the large room and two dedicated hacking days, or we split into
> something like mornings: talks, evenings: hacking.
>
> I think we first try to collect topics for talks and then see how we can
> fit them in the schedule, while leaving sufficient space for working
> groups.
>
> == Talk topics ==
>
> Those are just those that come to my head so far, I'm primarily looking
> for your own suggestions/submissions here:
>
> * osmo-pcu status/presentation (for those who haven't used it yet)
> * osmo-sdr hardware + misc software news / update (maybe separate)
> * OsmocomBB based transceiver
> * xgoldmon: Interface Samsung X-GOLD with GSMTAP+Wireshark
> * libosmosim: SIM/USIM parsing/encoding toolkit

I would l love to listen about the work Andreas is doing with OpenBTS
transceiver integration with OsmoBTS.

>
> == Workgroup / Hacking days Topics ==
>
> Those are just those that come to my head so far, I'm primarily looking
> for your own suggestions/submissions here:
>
> * fixing osmo-sgsn (TLLI issues, persistent MM context, msgb ownership)
> * Brainstorming + kick-off for custom Calypso PCB
> * make GSMTAPv3 less vaporware?
> * OsmoCOS (card-OS) code sprint

I propose OpenBSC and OpenBTS networks integration strategies discussion
and may be some hacking.

Please excuse typos. Written with a touchscreen keyboard.

--
Regards,
Alexander Chemeris
CEO/Founder Fairwaves LLC
http://fairwaves.ru
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From alexander.chemeris at gmail.com  Mon Mar  4 10:22:06 2013
From: alexander.chemeris at gmail.com (Alexander Chemeris)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 14:22:06 +0400
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2013 / Schedule / Call for Topics
In-Reply-To: <20130303215451.GE22207@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
References: <20130227161953.GS1262@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
	<20130227183108.20810.qmail@stuge.se>
	<20130303215451.GE22207@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
Message-ID: <CABmJbFV1AUVviOi6fXbGOPe-t=TVHvfquHsPa2wUX9KYMW9Bmw@mail.gmail.com>

On Mar 4, 2013 3:06 AM, "Harald Welte" <laforge at gnumonks.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Peter,
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 07:31:08PM +0100, Peter Stuge wrote:
> > * Subscriber management
> > (phonebooks for preloading on SIMs, extension management, etc)
> > [...]
> > * OpenBSC database code and schema changes
> > * OpenSMSC code sprint
>
> I added it to the wiki, thanks.  I hope others will bring forward more
> suggestions so we can fill some more spots in the schedule.
>
> For Talks, I'm also planning some 15minute slots for small topics.  Not
> quite a lightning talk, but an opportunity to quickly introduce a topic
> that somebody has been wokring on, to make others aware.   This e.g.
> includes the work Dieter has been doing on feeding Qualcomm 3G DBG
> messages into GSMTAP (similar to tobias' xgoldmon), or the
> brainstorming/evaluation on how to drive CPRI/OBSAI based radio heads
> from your own code.
>

I could do a short status update about UmTRX development if there is
interest.

Please excuse typos. Written with a touchscreen keyboard.

--
Regards,
Alexander Chemeris
CEO/Founder Fairwaves LLC
http://fairwaves.ru
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From alexander.chemeris at gmail.com  Mon Mar  4 10:28:15 2013
From: alexander.chemeris at gmail.com (Alexander Chemeris)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 14:28:15 +0400
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2013 / Schedule / Call for Topics
In-Reply-To: <20130227161953.GS1262@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
References: <20130227161953.GS1262@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
Message-ID: <CABmJbFWi1vf0kKLkNMssn7GYQas6Yka_=JNUDgwhua18ZEK5KA@mail.gmail.com>

On Feb 27, 2013 9:25 PM, "Harald Welte" <laforge at gnumonks.org> wrote:
> == Workgroup / Hacking days Topics ==
>
> Those are just those that come to my head so far, I'm primarily looking
> for your own suggestions/submissions here:
>
> * fixing osmo-sgsn (TLLI issues, persistent MM context, msgb ownership)
> * Brainstorming + kick-off for custom Calypso PCB
> * make GSMTAPv3 less vaporware?
> * OsmoCOS (card-OS) code sprint

Just a thought:
Good hacking requires good concentration and some time, so there should be
a very limited set of topics for the hackathon. There should be a mechanism
to select topics among all proposed, whether it's voting or benevolent
dictator decision.

Please excuse typos. Written with a touchscreen keyboard.

--
Regards,
Alexander Chemeris
CEO/Founder Fairwaves LLC
http://fairwaves.ru
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From laforge at gnumonks.org  Mon Mar  4 17:43:59 2013
From: laforge at gnumonks.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 17:43:59 +0000
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2013 / Schedule / Call for Topics
In-Reply-To: <CABmJbFVkLBr4JM445cbpDs9CEJ+2BrDzH4qX74Z9s8Q5nOhxwQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20130227161953.GS1262@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
	<CABmJbFVkLBr4JM445cbpDs9CEJ+2BrDzH4qX74Z9s8Q5nOhxwQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130304174359.GL6954@prithivi.gnumonks.org>

On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 02:20:36PM +0400, Alexander Chemeris wrote:
> I propose OpenBSC and OpenBTS networks integration strategies discussion
> and may be some hacking.

I've added it as a 45min type discussion topic.

-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>           http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)



From laforge at gnumonks.org  Mon Mar  4 17:42:24 2013
From: laforge at gnumonks.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 17:42:24 +0000
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2013 / Schedule / Call for Topics
In-Reply-To: <513466C1.6070406@fairwaves.ru>
References: <20130227161953.GS1262@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
	<20130227183108.20810.qmail@stuge.se>
	<20130303215451.GE22207@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
	<513466C1.6070406@fairwaves.ru>
Message-ID: <20130304174224.GJ6954@prithivi.gnumonks.org>

Hi Max,

On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 10:17:53AM +0100, ? wrote:
> I'd like to grab one of those for a5/3 implementation overview.

thanks, added to the schedule.

-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>           http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)



From laforge at gnumonks.org  Mon Mar  4 17:42:58 2013
From: laforge at gnumonks.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 17:42:58 +0000
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2013 / Schedule / Call for Topics
In-Reply-To: <CABmJbFV1AUVviOi6fXbGOPe-t=TVHvfquHsPa2wUX9KYMW9Bmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20130227161953.GS1262@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
	<20130227183108.20810.qmail@stuge.se>
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	<CABmJbFV1AUVviOi6fXbGOPe-t=TVHvfquHsPa2wUX9KYMW9Bmw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130304174258.GK6954@prithivi.gnumonks.org>

On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 02:22:06PM +0400, Alexander Chemeris wrote:
> I could do a short status update about UmTRX development if there is
> interest.

sure, added it to the wiki for a 15min slot

-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>           http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)



From laforge at gnumonks.org  Mon Mar  4 17:39:16 2013
From: laforge at gnumonks.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 17:39:16 +0000
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2013 / Schedule / Call for Topics
In-Reply-To: <20130304013828.7533.qmail@stuge.se>
References: <20130227161953.GS1262@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
	<20130227183108.20810.qmail@stuge.se>
	<20130303215451.GE22207@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
	<20130304013828.7533.qmail@stuge.se>
Message-ID: <20130304173916.GI6954@prithivi.gnumonks.org>

Hi Peter,

On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 02:38:28AM +0100, Peter Stuge wrote:
> > For Talks, I'm also planning some 15minute slots for small topics.
> 
> I think the subscriber management would fit in there. I want to share
> some thoughts about what might be useful so far, and maybe have a bit
> of brainstorming.

I think that's a quite complex topic and it deserves more time for
discussion, even if your thoughts only might cover <= 15 minutes ;)

-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>           http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)



From alexander.chemeris at gmail.com  Tue Mar  5 14:23:56 2013
From: alexander.chemeris at gmail.com (Alexander Chemeris)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 18:23:56 +0400
Subject: [ANNOUNCE] OsmoDevCon 2013-04-04 till 2013-04-07, Berlin
In-Reply-To: <20130303221535.GF22207@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
References: <20130226203028.GK1262@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
	<CABmJbFV54NTgm6+Sw4846q_=fh-2_PQAOUDpJdwfyg-cO13Psg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABmJbFUm7Gwr3DaRbisWe3wRqHO+Q2zFJhf_9iiH-1iM9NyceQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20130303221535.GF22207@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
Message-ID: <CABmJbFWA_GhSz7c7fX81p7wP3L9y=vyoXoMRDJmcmE3WFR4YYA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 2:15 AM, Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org> wrote:
> Finally, let me stress that I don't want to be a dictator.  If there is
> disagreement in the community about this course of action, I'm very
> happy to hear about it and change the policy.

I believe that that's a perfect way to extend the community of active
contributors. But this is my imho and I'm fine with other views on the
subject.

> Searching again for a
> larger venue is not an option for me, given the close timing.

For sure.

-- 
Regards,
Alexander Chemeris.
CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ??? ???????
http://fairwaves.ru



From alexander.chemeris at gmail.com  Tue Mar  5 14:26:16 2013
From: alexander.chemeris at gmail.com (Alexander Chemeris)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 18:26:16 +0400
Subject: [ANNOUNCE] OsmoDevCon 2013-04-04 till 2013-04-07, Berlin
In-Reply-To: <CABmJbFWA_GhSz7c7fX81p7wP3L9y=vyoXoMRDJmcmE3WFR4YYA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20130226203028.GK1262@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
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	<CABmJbFUm7Gwr3DaRbisWe3wRqHO+Q2zFJhf_9iiH-1iM9NyceQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20130303221535.GF22207@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
	<CABmJbFWA_GhSz7c7fX81p7wP3L9y=vyoXoMRDJmcmE3WFR4YYA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABmJbFU0HfJME7xMEcnQaFLhXBAj=twbnzDfxNESRx5=t0A4dA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Alexander Chemeris
<alexander.chemeris at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 2:15 AM, Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org> wrote:
>> Finally, let me stress that I don't want to be a dictator.  If there is
>> disagreement in the community about this course of action, I'm very
>> happy to hear about it and change the policy.
>
> I believe that that's a perfect way to extend the community of active
> contributors. But this is my imho and I'm fine with other views on the
> subject.

Sorry, by "that" I mean giving interested people a chance to
communicate with the core developers. Trust to a software is initially
built upon the trust to people who develop it.

-- 
Regards,
Alexander Chemeris.
CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ??? ???????
http://fairwaves.ru



From laforge at gnumonks.org  Tue Mar  5 17:53:31 2013
From: laforge at gnumonks.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 17:53:31 +0000
Subject: [ANNOUNCE] OsmoDevCon 2013-04-04 till 2013-04-07, Berlin
In-Reply-To: <CABmJbFWA_GhSz7c7fX81p7wP3L9y=vyoXoMRDJmcmE3WFR4YYA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20130226203028.GK1262@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
	<CABmJbFV54NTgm6+Sw4846q_=fh-2_PQAOUDpJdwfyg-cO13Psg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABmJbFUm7Gwr3DaRbisWe3wRqHO+Q2zFJhf_9iiH-1iM9NyceQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20130303221535.GF22207@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
	<CABmJbFWA_GhSz7c7fX81p7wP3L9y=vyoXoMRDJmcmE3WFR4YYA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130305175331.GF6256@prithivi.gnumonks.org>

Hi Alexander,

On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 06:23:56PM +0400, Alexander Chemeris wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 2:15 AM, Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org> wrote:
> > Finally, let me stress that I don't want to be a dictator.  If there is
> > disagreement in the community about this course of action, I'm very
> > happy to hear about it and change the policy.
> 
> I believe that that's a perfect way to extend the community of active
> contributors. But this is my imho and I'm fine with other views on the
> subject.

Please note that Dmitri, Jean-Samuel and Thomas Tsou have all been added
to the confirmed list of attendees.  I'm quite confident we will now max
out at about 23.

Regards,
	Harald
-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>           http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)



From 246tnt at gmail.com  Tue Mar  5 21:02:40 2013
From: 246tnt at gmail.com (Sylvain Munaut)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 22:02:40 +0100
Subject: [ANNOUNCE] OsmoDevCon 2013-04-04 till 2013-04-07, Berlin
In-Reply-To: <CABmJbFU0HfJME7xMEcnQaFLhXBAj=twbnzDfxNESRx5=t0A4dA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20130226203028.GK1262@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
	<CABmJbFV54NTgm6+Sw4846q_=fh-2_PQAOUDpJdwfyg-cO13Psg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABmJbFUm7Gwr3DaRbisWe3wRqHO+Q2zFJhf_9iiH-1iM9NyceQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20130303221535.GF22207@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
	<CABmJbFWA_GhSz7c7fX81p7wP3L9y=vyoXoMRDJmcmE3WFR4YYA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABmJbFU0HfJME7xMEcnQaFLhXBAj=twbnzDfxNESRx5=t0A4dA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHL+j0_hT=jFvSvyUy-ApTJHBTs2x3uBkmi+Q_Hd52AA1csRkw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

>> I believe that that's a perfect way to extend the community of active
>> contributors. But this is my imho and I'm fine with other views on the
>> subject.
>
> Sorry, by "that" I mean giving interested people a chance to
> communicate with the core developers. Trust to a software is initially
> built upon the trust to people who develop it.

Personally I think that it should be limited to either:
 - Known osmocom contributors
 - People that are known contributors to closely related projects and
with a known working knowledge of the technical side involved in the
osmocom projects that will be discussed.

In this event we'll most likely discuss deep technical issues and will
expect that you're familiar with those. We'll also most likely discuss
about the future and the directions to take in the various projects
and if someone is not in one of the two categories above, I just think
that person doesn't really get a vote in that.

If someone is just "interested" but hasn't done any contributions so
far to either osmocom or to any other open-source project that has
some relevance and just want an intro to the projects or meet the
developers, several of us are present at different conferences, give
talk and it's possible to meet us there.

Cheers,

    Sylvain



From peter at stuge.se  Tue Mar  5 21:39:04 2013
From: peter at stuge.se (Peter Stuge)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 22:39:04 +0100
Subject: [ANNOUNCE] OsmoDevCon 2013-04-04 till 2013-04-07, Berlin
In-Reply-To: <CAHL+j0_hT=jFvSvyUy-ApTJHBTs2x3uBkmi+Q_Hd52AA1csRkw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20130226203028.GK1262@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
	<CABmJbFV54NTgm6+Sw4846q_=fh-2_PQAOUDpJdwfyg-cO13Psg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABmJbFUm7Gwr3DaRbisWe3wRqHO+Q2zFJhf_9iiH-1iM9NyceQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20130303221535.GF22207@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
	<CABmJbFWA_GhSz7c7fX81p7wP3L9y=vyoXoMRDJmcmE3WFR4YYA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABmJbFU0HfJME7xMEcnQaFLhXBAj=twbnzDfxNESRx5=t0A4dA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHL+j0_hT=jFvSvyUy-ApTJHBTs2x3uBkmi+Q_Hd52AA1csRkw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130305213904.2073.qmail@stuge.se>

Sylvain Munaut wrote:
> about the future and the directions to take in the various projects
> and if someone is not in one of the two categories above, I just
> think that person doesn't really get a vote in that.

I think it's fine for everyone to say what they think, that doesn't
mean that everyone has equal voting power. :) If to-be contributors
want to jump right in and at least listen but ideally also
participate in discussions then I think that's great! Just listening
also helps transfer knowledge much more efficiently than on the
internet.


> If someone is just "interested" but hasn't done any contributions so
> far to either osmocom or to any other open-source project that has
> some relevance and just want an intro to the projects or meet the
> developers, several of us are present at different conferences,
> give talk and it's possible to meet us there.

This sounds more like pure users, which couldn't fit in the rooms
anyway :) but I think it's fine and good to squeeze in some serious
to-be contributors who are on the right level so to say.


//Peter



From alexander.chemeris at gmail.com  Wed Mar  6 04:05:53 2013
From: alexander.chemeris at gmail.com (Alexander Chemeris)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 08:05:53 +0400
Subject: [ANNOUNCE] OsmoDevCon 2013-04-04 till 2013-04-07, Berlin
In-Reply-To: <CAHL+j0_hT=jFvSvyUy-ApTJHBTs2x3uBkmi+Q_Hd52AA1csRkw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20130226203028.GK1262@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
	<CABmJbFV54NTgm6+Sw4846q_=fh-2_PQAOUDpJdwfyg-cO13Psg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABmJbFUm7Gwr3DaRbisWe3wRqHO+Q2zFJhf_9iiH-1iM9NyceQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20130303221535.GF22207@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
	<CABmJbFWA_GhSz7c7fX81p7wP3L9y=vyoXoMRDJmcmE3WFR4YYA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABmJbFU0HfJME7xMEcnQaFLhXBAj=twbnzDfxNESRx5=t0A4dA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHL+j0_hT=jFvSvyUy-ApTJHBTs2x3uBkmi+Q_Hd52AA1csRkw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABmJbFW_KVphWYrLqDf5hQCbqGTZesdxW2_i06KTFW8tfp1ynQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:02 AM, Sylvain Munaut <246tnt at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>>> I believe that that's a perfect way to extend the community of active
>>> contributors. But this is my imho and I'm fine with other views on the
>>> subject.
>>
>> Sorry, by "that" I mean giving interested people a chance to
>> communicate with the core developers. Trust to a software is initially
>> built upon the trust to people who develop it.
>
> Personally I think that it should be limited to either:
>  - Known osmocom contributors
>  - People that are known contributors to closely related projects and
> with a known working knowledge of the technical side involved in the
> osmocom projects that will be discussed.
>
> In this event we'll most likely discuss deep technical issues and will
> expect that you're familiar with those. We'll also most likely discuss
> about the future and the directions to take in the various projects
> and if someone is not in one of the two categories above, I just think
> that person doesn't really get a vote in that.
>
> If someone is just "interested" but hasn't done any contributions so
> far to either osmocom or to any other open-source project that has
> some relevance and just want an intro to the projects or meet the
> developers, several of us are present at different conferences, give
> talk and it's possible to meet us there.

Totally agree.

Note, that Thomas can't make it to OsmoDevCon, unfortunately.

-- 
Regards,
Alexander Chemeris.
CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ??? ???????
http://fairwaves.ru



From pablo at gnumonks.org  Tue Mar  5 22:16:33 2013
From: pablo at gnumonks.org (Pablo Neira Ayuso)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 23:16:33 +0100
Subject: [ANNOUNCE] OsmoDevCon 2013-04-04 till 2013-04-07, Berlin
In-Reply-To: <20130226203028.GK1262@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
References: <20130226203028.GK1262@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
Message-ID: <20130305221633.GA6516@localhost>

Hi!

Please, count on me.

On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 09:30:28PM +0100, Harald Welte wrote:
> Dear fellow Osmcoom developers,
> 
> it is my pleasure to finally announce the date + venue of OsmoDevCon
> 2013:
> 
> 	Date: April 04 through April 07, 2013
> 
> 	Place: IN-Berlin, Lehrter Str. 53, Berlin
> 
> Like last year, this is an event for developers of the various Osmocom
> proejects.  Reservation and confirmation of reservation is required.
> 
> The event is free of charge.  The Room is made available by IN-Berlin
> e.V., an Internet related non-profit organization.  Lunch catering will
> be sponsored (so far by sysmocom GmbH, but if any other sponsors come
> up, we are happy to share the cost).
> 
> So all you have to cover is your own travel + accomodation costs, as
> well as breakfast and dinner.  If you are an active developer and cannot
> afford travel/accomodation, please let me know and I'll see if we can do
> something about it.
> 
> If you would like to attend, please send a message to
> laforge at gnumonks.org applying for registration of the event.  The
> registration deadline is March 5, i.e. one week from now.
> 
> There is no detailed schedule of talks yet.  I will start a separate
> discussion suggesting / collecting topics in the next couple of days.
> 
> More information is (and will be made) available at
> http://openbsc.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/OsmoDevCon2013
> 
> Further discussion regarding the event should be directed at the
> osmocom-event-orga at lists.osmocom.org mailing list, to avoid
> cross-posting over the various project-specific lists.
> 
> Best regards and happy hacking,
> 	Harald
> -- 
> - Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>           http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
> ============================================================================
> "Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
>                                                   (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)





From cd at maintech.de  Wed Mar  6 15:03:29 2013
From: cd at maintech.de (Christian Daniel -- maintech GmbH)
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2013 16:03:29 +0100
Subject: [ANNOUNCE] OsmoDevCon 2013-04-04 till 2013-04-07, Berlin
In-Reply-To: <20130226203028.GK1262@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
References: <20130226203028.GK1262@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
Message-ID: <51375AC1.7090907@maintech.de>

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Hi Harald,

thanks for organizing the OsmoDevCon. Hereby we confirm our appearence
- - Thomas and me will be attending from 04.04. (eta 12pm) until Sunday
evening.

I think, I will be able to do a presentation about OsmoSDR and also I
think, a few slides about SDRangelove architecture and my plans for it.

Best regards,
Christian aka Hopscotch

On 26.02.2013 21:30, Harald Welte wrote:
> Dear fellow Osmcoom developers,
> 
> it is my pleasure to finally announce the date + venue of
> OsmoDevCon 2013:
> 
> Date: April 04 through April 07, 2013
> 
> Place: IN-Berlin, Lehrter Str. 53, Berlin
> 
> Like last year, this is an event for developers of the various
> Osmocom proejects.  Reservation and confirmation of reservation is
> required.
> 
> The event is free of charge.  The Room is made available by
> IN-Berlin e.V., an Internet related non-profit organization.  Lunch
> catering will be sponsored (so far by sysmocom GmbH, but if any
> other sponsors come up, we are happy to share the cost).
> 
> So all you have to cover is your own travel + accomodation costs,
> as well as breakfast and dinner.  If you are an active developer
> and cannot afford travel/accomodation, please let me know and I'll
> see if we can do something about it.
> 
> If you would like to attend, please send a message to 
> laforge at gnumonks.org applying for registration of the event.  The 
> registration deadline is March 5, i.e. one week from now.
> 
> There is no detailed schedule of talks yet.  I will start a
> separate discussion suggesting / collecting topics in the next
> couple of days.
> 
> More information is (and will be made) available at 
> http://openbsc.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/OsmoDevCon2013
> 
> Further discussion regarding the event should be directed at the 
> osmocom-event-orga at lists.osmocom.org mailing list, to avoid 
> cross-posting over the various project-specific lists.
> 
> Best regards and happy hacking, Harald
> 

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From holger at freyther.de  Sun Mar 17 19:16:12 2013
From: holger at freyther.de (Holger Hans Peter Freyther)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 20:16:12 +0100
Subject: SIM Cards for EasterHegg
Message-ID: <20130317191612.GA4907@xiaoyu.lan>

Hi,

LaF0rge promised some SIMcards. Who will be heading to the
EasterHegg and can take them with them or where should I send
them to? How many would you want to have?

holger



From peter at stuge.se  Sun Mar 17 23:07:23 2013
From: peter at stuge.se (Peter Stuge)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 00:07:23 +0100
Subject: SIM Cards for EasterHegg
In-Reply-To: <20130317191612.GA4907@xiaoyu.lan>
References: <20130317191612.GA4907@xiaoyu.lan>
Message-ID: <20130317230723.6325.qmail@stuge.se>

Holger Hans Peter Freyther wrote:
> LaF0rge promised some SIMcards. Who will be heading to the
> EasterHegg and can take them with them

At least Me and Max are going. If you'll be at CCCB on Wednesday
maybe you can bring some, otherwise we can come pick them up at your
place.


> How many would you want to have?

I think 50 or 100 would be enough. Probably many will already have
cards from previous test networks.


//Peter



From 246tnt at gmail.com  Tue Mar 26 13:59:04 2013
From: 246tnt at gmail.com (Sylvain Munaut)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:59:04 +0100
Subject: OsmoDevCon 2013 / Schedule / Call for Topics
In-Reply-To: <20130227161953.GS1262@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
References: <20130227161953.GS1262@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
Message-ID: <CAHL+j0-EWm0Zq-WutbBkVHEidf8dVus8+5rGah=0q57VseVT4A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,


So, time for me to propose a few topics I'd like to talk about:

 - Talk : Osmo-GMR update (me & dieter)
 - short talk: fosphor - what it is and where it's supposed to go


And a couple of hack sessions (of course depending on interested people) :

 - GMR-1 data support ( APSK-16/32 modulation experiment & LDPC codes )
 - GSM/GPRS channel coding : review and merge of the api in libosmogsm
(work mostly done by jolly I'd like to review and discuss before
merging it into a lib other apps can use)


I guess for the hack sessions we should collect all the themes, then
see which people would like to be in which to see how to organize /
schedule them ?


Cheers,

   Sylvain



From laforge at gnumonks.org  Fri Mar 29 20:06:07 2013
From: laforge at gnumonks.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 21:06:07 +0100
Subject: OsmoDevCon important information
Message-ID: <20130329200607.GX11570@prithivi.gnumonks.org>

Dear all,

OsmoDevCon is getting close, and I would like to share some last-minute
information with you.

== Venue Address ==

Just in case you're travelling and don't have Web access (or expensive
roaming): Here's the address of the Venue:
Lehrter Strasse 53
10557 Berlin

== Starting Time ==

We will start at 10am every day, just like last year with OsmoDevCon.

If you arrive later on Thursday, please let me know your expected
arrival time, so I can make sure not to schedule important discussions
at a time where most people are not here yet.

== Lunch ==

Lunch break will be 1pm to 3pm, and we will have lunch catering every
day, i.e. we will not have to leave during lunch time.  Lunch is covered
by sysmocom.

== Dinner ==

Each night, we have the option of either

a) going out to some restaurant.
b) getting pizza from a pizza place 50m down the road
c) asking the bakery to bring sandwiches ("belegte broetchen")

The dinner is not sponsored, so each attendee would have to pay for
themselves.

For Thursday, we only have cold food for lunch so I suggest we get Pizza
for dinner.  For the other days, we should have a short vote on the
first day, so the other days can be reserved/organized.

== Talks / Workshops ==

I think the list of topics / talks / workshops is still relatively
short.  I understand that nobody wants ot talk about stuff they don't
consider new or exciitng.  However, if somebody has suggestions what
topics they would want to _hear_ about, please send them as follow-up to
this thread and I'll see if we can convince one of the experts on the
subject to talk about it.

The Schedule will be more ad-hoc than last year, but we should have a
rough idea by the start of the event.

== Emergency Contact Number ==

Especially for our foreign visitors: In case you run into any trouble or
need assistance finding the venue, etc.:  You can reach me at my mobile
phone at +49-163-8473666


Looking forward to meeting all of you soon,
	Harald

-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>           http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)



From Max.Suraev at fairwaves.ru  Fri Mar 29 21:12:31 2013
From: Max.Suraev at fairwaves.ru (=?UTF-8?B?4piO?=)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 22:12:31 +0100
Subject: OsmoDevCon important information
In-Reply-To: <20130329200607.GX11570@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
References: <20130329200607.GX11570@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
Message-ID: <515603BF.4000509@fairwaves.ru>

29.03.2013 21:06, Harald Welte ?????:
> 
> I think the list of topics / talks / workshops is still relatively
> short.  I understand that nobody wants ot talk about stuff they don't
> consider new or exciitng.  However, if somebody has suggestions what
> topics they would want to _hear_ about, please send them as follow-up to
> this thread and I'll see if we can convince one of the experts on the
> subject to talk about it.

I'd love to hear about RRLP and USSD support - as far as I recall RRLP is handled by
separate daemon, not sure about USSD.

-- 
best regards,
Max, http://fairwaves.ru



From laforge at gnumonks.org  Sat Mar 30 10:46:11 2013
From: laforge at gnumonks.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 11:46:11 +0100
Subject: RRLP and USSD (was Re: OsmoDevCon important information)
In-Reply-To: <515603BF.4000509@fairwaves.ru>
References: <20130329200607.GX11570@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
	<515603BF.4000509@fairwaves.ru>
Message-ID: <20130330104611.GF11570@prithivi.gnumonks.org>

Hi Max and others,

On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 10:12:31PM +0100, ? wrote:
> I'd love to hear about RRLP and USSD support - as far as I recall RRLP is handled by
> separate daemon, not sure about USSD.

Dieter, would you mind doing  15minute talk about your RRLP implementation?

Regarding USSD it's simple:  There is no external interface.  However,
as OsmoNITB now has SMPP for SMS, and SMPP is specified for USSD, too.
So the logical conclusion would probably be to add USSD support to the
existing SMPP interface, if anyone needed that.

Regards,
	Harald

-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>           http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)



From laforge at gnumonks.org  Sat Mar 30 10:43:35 2013
From: laforge at gnumonks.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 11:43:35 +0100
Subject: OsmoDevCon important information
In-Reply-To: <20130329200607.GX11570@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
References: <20130329200607.GX11570@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
Message-ID: <20130330104335.GE11570@prithivi.gnumonks.org>

Just one additional notice about the weather:

Pretty much like all of Europe, we've been experiencing an unusually
long and cold winter.  Berlin is absolutely no exception in that regard.

Right now we still have snow every other day and temperatures between -5
and +5 centigrade.

Please take this into consideration when packing your suitcase!

Regards,
	Harald
-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>           http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)



From spaar at mirider.augusta.de  Sat Mar 30 11:55:38 2013
From: spaar at mirider.augusta.de (Dieter Spaar)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 11:55:38 
Subject: RRLP and USSD (was Re: OsmoDevCon important information)
Message-ID: <5156d2ba.mirider@mirider.augusta.de>

Hello Harald,

On Sat, 30 Mar 2013 11:46:11 +0100, "Harald Welte" <laforge at gnumonks.org> wrote:
> 
> Dieter, would you mind doing  15minute talk about your RRLP implementation?

I am not sure if there is that much to say. I can give a rough overview,
but I don't know if I find time to prepare slides (if they are needed at
all).

Best regards,
  Dieter
-- 
Dieter Spaar, Germany                           spaar at mirider.augusta.de



From alexander.chemeris at gmail.com  Sun Mar 31 06:29:28 2013
From: alexander.chemeris at gmail.com (Alexander Chemeris)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 10:29:28 +0400
Subject: OsmoDevCon important information
In-Reply-To: <20130329200607.GX11570@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
References: <20130329200607.GX11570@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
Message-ID: <CABmJbFUGdxBtmm7_h2FNZsJzzKXA_N+OB+QpHqt5=tpKwdZ7sw@mail.gmail.com>

Harald,


On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 12:06 AM, Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org> wrote:
> == Talks / Workshops ==
>
> I think the list of topics / talks / workshops is still relatively
> short.  I understand that nobody wants ot talk about stuff they don't
> consider new or exciitng.  However, if somebody has suggestions what
> topics they would want to _hear_ about, please send them as follow-up to
> this thread and I'll see if we can convince one of the experts on the
> subject to talk about it.

* It would be great to have an intro to the L2 layer. At least for
Ivan and me a kickstart in this would be of great value.

* Another intersting topic is LCR architecture. 30min intro from
Andreas would very intersting at least for me and Dmitri.

* Discussion about OpenBSC integration with legacy E1 MSCs. Not sure
it's interesting for everyone, so may be more of a workshop style?

> The Schedule will be more ad-hoc than last year, but we should have a
> rough idea by the start of the event.

Should we start with a planning session evey dau? Kind of unconference style.
Allocating ~1h at the beginning of the 1st day and ~15-30min at the
beginning of the other days should be enough to put together a
schedule for a day.

--
Regards,
Alexander Chemeris.
CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ??? ???????
http://fairwaves.ru



From alexander.chemeris at gmail.com  Sun Mar 31 06:37:52 2013
From: alexander.chemeris at gmail.com (Alexander Chemeris)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 10:37:52 +0400
Subject: PCU talk
Message-ID: <CABmJbFVnzJYxdNunubiggiTDsz9o0j80=5S=dK05j2KMuKnxpQ@mail.gmail.com>

Andreas, Ivan,

Have you decided who is doing which part of the PCU status update
talk? At the wiki I still see "jolly?" as a speaker for the talk.

--
Regards,
Alexander Chemeris.
CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ??? ???????
http://fairwaves.ru



From laforge at gnumonks.org  Sun Mar 31 14:29:10 2013
From: laforge at gnumonks.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 16:29:10 +0200
Subject: OsmoDevCon important information
In-Reply-To: <CABmJbFUGdxBtmm7_h2FNZsJzzKXA_N+OB+QpHqt5=tpKwdZ7sw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20130329200607.GX11570@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
	<CABmJbFUGdxBtmm7_h2FNZsJzzKXA_N+OB+QpHqt5=tpKwdZ7sw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130331142910.GH9768@prithivi.gnumonks.org>

On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 10:29:28AM +0400, Alexander Chemeris wrote:
> * It would be great to have an intro to the L2 layer. At least for
> Ivan and me a kickstart in this would be of great value.

You're talking about LAPDm?  A general talk aobut LAPDm or specifically
the libosmocore implementation?  And if so, why?  Do you plan to do any
modifications in that area?  I thin L2 is quite boring once it has been
implemented and no bugs are visible...

> * Another intersting topic is LCR architecture. 30min intro from
> Andreas would very intersting at least for me and Dmitri.

I'm perfectly happy with this, and I think myself and likely some others
are interested in it, too.

> * Discussion about OpenBSC integration with legacy E1 MSCs. Not sure
> it's interesting for everyone, so may be more of a workshop style?

Yes, we can move that into one of the other rooms, after we know who is
interested in it.

> > The Schedule will be more ad-hoc than last year, but we should have a
> > rough idea by the start of the event.
> 
> Should we start with a planning session evey dau? Kind of unconference style.
> Allocating ~1h at the beginning of the 1st day and ~15-30min at the
> beginning of the other days should be enough to put together a
> schedule for a day.

yes, that was more or less my idea.  However, we shoul still collect all
ideas + resulting schedule in the wiki.

Regards,
	Harald
-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>           http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)



From peter at stuge.se  Sun Mar 31 15:35:20 2013
From: peter at stuge.se (Peter Stuge)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 17:35:20 +0200
Subject: RRLP and USSD (was Re: OsmoDevCon important information)
In-Reply-To: <5156d2ba.mirider@mirider.augusta.de>
References: <5156d2ba.mirider@mirider.augusta.de>
Message-ID: <20130331153520.15109.qmail@stuge.se>

Dieter Spaar wrote:
> I can give a rough overview, but I don't know if I find time to
> prepare slides (if they are needed at all).

It can be very interesting also without any slides. Maybe you could
even show off some of the code.


//Peter



From alexander.chemeris at gmail.com  Sun Mar 31 16:12:30 2013
From: alexander.chemeris at gmail.com (Alexander Chemeris)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 20:12:30 +0400
Subject: OsmoDevCon important information
In-Reply-To: <20130331142910.GH9768@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
References: <20130329200607.GX11570@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
	<CABmJbFUGdxBtmm7_h2FNZsJzzKXA_N+OB+QpHqt5=tpKwdZ7sw@mail.gmail.com>
	<20130331142910.GH9768@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
Message-ID: <CABmJbFXGJVmes3jZXGyR9toeOcHjorVsw+iHeMxgPdDcxhcLVQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 10:29:28AM +0400, Alexander Chemeris wrote:
>> * It would be great to have an intro to the L2 layer. At least for
>> Ivan and me a kickstart in this would be of great value.
>
> You're talking about LAPDm?  A general talk aobut LAPDm or specifically
> the libosmocore implementation?  And if so, why?  Do you plan to do any
> modifications in that area?  I thin L2 is quite boring once it has been
> implemented and no bugs are visible...

Yes, LAPDm. It's boring, but it's kind of a good thing to understand
even if you don't need to implement it. Even if you consider it as a
black box, you should know the properties of this black box.

In OpenBTS LAPDm implementation is kind of buggy, so we'd like to know
more about the way it's implemented in Osmocom and may be borrow some
ideas.

So, the ideal way I see it would be to have an overview of the way it
operates with picks into the Osmocom code.

>> * Another intersting topic is LCR architecture. 30min intro from
>> Andreas would very intersting at least for me and Dmitri.
>
> I'm perfectly happy with this, and I think myself and likely some others
> are interested in it, too.

Added to the list of talks. Now we need to convince Andreas to do that :)

>> * Discussion about OpenBSC integration with legacy E1 MSCs. Not sure
>> it's interesting for everyone, so may be more of a workshop style?
>
> Yes, we can move that into one of the other rooms, after we know who is
> interested in it.

Added to the list of workshops.

>> > The Schedule will be more ad-hoc than last year, but we should have a
>> > rough idea by the start of the event.
>>
>> Should we start with a planning session evey dau? Kind of unconference style.
>> Allocating ~1h at the beginning of the 1st day and ~15-30min at the
>> beginning of the other days should be enough to put together a
>> schedule for a day.
>
> yes, that was more or less my idea.  However, we shoul still collect all
> ideas + resulting schedule in the wiki.

Great.

--
Regards,
Alexander Chemeris.
CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ??? ???????
http://fairwaves.ru



From alexander.chemeris at gmail.com  Sun Mar 31 16:15:50 2013
From: alexander.chemeris at gmail.com (Alexander Chemeris)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 20:15:50 +0400
Subject: Video recording
Message-ID: <CABmJbFVGWhKyC+__KnYEY09qTdD4-VpmVAJmZP268p_n2PB58A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Does anyone coming to the OsmoDevCon have a camera we could use?

We'd love to handle video recording this year again, but we don't have
a camera we used to do video recording last year.

--
Regards,
Alexander Chemeris.
CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ??? ???????
http://fairwaves.ru



From andreas at eversberg.eu  Sun Mar 31 21:27:03 2013
From: andreas at eversberg.eu (Andreas Eversberg)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 23:27:03 +0200
Subject: Video recording
In-Reply-To: <CABmJbFVGWhKyC+__KnYEY09qTdD4-VpmVAJmZP268p_n2PB58A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABmJbFVGWhKyC+__KnYEY09qTdD4-VpmVAJmZP268p_n2PB58A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5158AA27.1050801@eversberg.eu>

Alexander Chemeris wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Does anyone coming to the OsmoDevCon have a camera we could use?
>
> We'd love to handle video recording this year again, but we don't have
> a camera we used to do video recording last year.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Alexander Chemeris.
> CEO, Fairwaves LLC / ??? ???????
> http://fairwaves.ru
>
i can bring a camera. i just put that on my todo list...