From laforge at gnumonks.org  Sat Sep 24 12:31:59 2016
From: laforge at gnumonks.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 20:31:59 +0800
Subject: Moving from trac to a single redmine
In-Reply-To: <29DF7E51-8366-40A3-8EF1-F4705D3A0E6D@freyther.de>
References: <29DF7E51-8366-40A3-8EF1-F4705D3A0E6D@freyther.de>
Message-ID: <20160924123159.sdqpnz5yksr6njcr@nataraja>

Dear all,

It's been more than half a year that we transitioned the Osmocom
projects from the various trac instances to redmine.

Still, a lot of people end up on the old redmine pages.  How do I know?
Because of the amount of personal e-mail I receive from people asking
for accounts or for modification of the content there.

[This is of course just the indicator, I don't mind those mails]. But
what worries me is that people are looking at outdated information in
the old trac without even knowing.

How do we proceed about that?  I'm not quite clear.  The first step
could be to add some kind of banner to the old trac installations,
indicating at the header / footer of every page (or even as a floating
block visible at all times) that this is old, outdated content that is
scheduled to be removed at a certain date, and indicating the top-level
page for the specific project in the osmocom.org redmine as an updated
source.  After that grace period has passed, we should probably make all
the old trac pages redirect to the entry-page of the project in redmine.

Trying to link to the respective new page in each individual wiki would
be overly complicated and take a lot of time, unless somebody masocistic
enough would volunteer for creating such a list.  It can probably be
auto-generated to some extent, but then each individual item would need
to be manually verified and fixed up, if needed.

Do you have other ideas on how to proceed in a better way?

Do we have any volunters about any of the above?  I'm quite sure it
wouldbe easy to provide volunteers witha copy of the existing trac
databases or any other information that might be needed.

Thanks in advance for any assistance,
	Harald
-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>           http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)


From holger at freyther.de  Sat Sep 24 12:57:57 2016
From: holger at freyther.de (Holger Freyther)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 14:57:57 +0200
Subject: Moving from trac to a single redmine
In-Reply-To: <20160924123159.sdqpnz5yksr6njcr@nataraja>
References: <29DF7E51-8366-40A3-8EF1-F4705D3A0E6D@freyther.de>
 <20160924123159.sdqpnz5yksr6njcr@nataraja>
Message-ID: <32B40E35-7B65-4478-ADCE-CD7771DDCA7B@freyther.de>


> On 24 Sep 2016, at 14:31, Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> 


> Still, a lot of people end up on the old redmine pages.  How do I know?
> Because of the amount of personal e-mail I receive from people asking
> for accounts or for modification of the content there.

eek.

> 
> How do we proceed about that?  I'm not quite clear.  The first step
> could be to add some kind of banner to the old trac installations,
> indicating at the header / footer of every page (or even as a floating
> block visible at all times) that this is old, outdated content that is
> scheduled to be removed at a certain date, and indicating the top-level
> page for the specific project in the osmocom.org redmine as an updated
> source.  After that grace period has passed, we should probably make all
> the old trac pages redirect to the entry-page of the project in redmine.
> 
> Trying to link to the respective new page in each individual wiki would
> be overly complicated and take a lot of time, unless somebody masocistic
> enough would volunteer for creating such a list.  It can probably be
> auto-generated to some extent, but then each individual item would need
> to be manually verified and fixed up, if needed.
> 
> Do you have other ideas on how to proceed in a better way?

* banner to say to look at our redmine
* disallow search engines to index trac (if that is still allowed)
* not modify trac sites but use redirect of nginx



> Do we have any volunters about any of the above?  I'm quite sure it
> wouldbe easy to provide volunteers witha copy of the existing trac
> databases or any other information that might be needed.

We can provide the access logs (all IP addresses point to the frontend
server so we only show user agent that might be private).

holger




From 246tnt at gmail.com  Sat Sep 24 14:01:52 2016
From: 246tnt at gmail.com (Sylvain Munaut)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 08:01:52 -0600
Subject: Moving from trac to a single redmine
In-Reply-To: <32B40E35-7B65-4478-ADCE-CD7771DDCA7B@freyther.de>
References: <29DF7E51-8366-40A3-8EF1-F4705D3A0E6D@freyther.de>
 <20160924123159.sdqpnz5yksr6njcr@nataraja>
 <32B40E35-7B65-4478-ADCE-CD7771DDCA7B@freyther.de>
Message-ID: <CAHL+j090rx3mmyLtxPVkG3DOX=WS-pY_iZ3wbp+uaHoPTBAQxA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,


> * not modify trac sites but use redirect of nginx

I've just put this in place for 'openbsc.osmocom.org' :

rewrite ^/trac/wiki/(.*)/(.*)$
$scheme://osmocom.org/projects/openbsc/wiki/$1$2 redirect;
rewrite ^/trac/wiki(.*)$ $scheme://osmocom.org/projects/openbsc/wiki$1 redirect;

This seems to work fairly well. I'm sure there are some exceptions to
those regexps, but I couldn't find any immediately. If we uncover them
we can try to tweak them or just handle them manually.

I've set them to temporary (302) redirects for now. Once we're a
little more confident that this works well, this can be changed to
301s and extended to all the other old domains.

If you find any case where those fails, please report.


Cheers,

    Sylvain


From nhofmeyr at sysmocom.de  Sun Sep 25 15:54:10 2016
From: nhofmeyr at sysmocom.de (Neels Hofmeyr)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 17:54:10 +0200
Subject: Moving from trac to a single redmine
In-Reply-To: <CAHL+j090rx3mmyLtxPVkG3DOX=WS-pY_iZ3wbp+uaHoPTBAQxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29DF7E51-8366-40A3-8EF1-F4705D3A0E6D@freyther.de>
 <20160924123159.sdqpnz5yksr6njcr@nataraja>
 <32B40E35-7B65-4478-ADCE-CD7771DDCA7B@freyther.de>
 <CAHL+j090rx3mmyLtxPVkG3DOX=WS-pY_iZ3wbp+uaHoPTBAQxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20160925155410.GA1868@dub7>

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 08:01:52AM -0600, Sylvain Munaut wrote:
> I've just put this in place for 'openbsc.osmocom.org' :
> 
> rewrite ^/trac/wiki/(.*)/(.*)$
> $scheme://osmocom.org/projects/openbsc/wiki/$1$2 redirect;
> rewrite ^/trac/wiki(.*)$ $scheme://osmocom.org/projects/openbsc/wiki$1 redirect;

But so far the idea is to keep the trac online and browsable, right?
It didn't sound like the grace period before switching off trac has already
passed. And I think we already have one complaint of missing content :)

~Neels


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From laforge at gnumonks.org  Mon Sep 26 01:11:08 2016
From: laforge at gnumonks.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 09:11:08 +0800
Subject: Moving from trac to a single redmine
In-Reply-To: <20160925155410.GA1868@dub7>
References: <29DF7E51-8366-40A3-8EF1-F4705D3A0E6D@freyther.de>
 <20160924123159.sdqpnz5yksr6njcr@nataraja>
 <32B40E35-7B65-4478-ADCE-CD7771DDCA7B@freyther.de>
 <CAHL+j090rx3mmyLtxPVkG3DOX=WS-pY_iZ3wbp+uaHoPTBAQxA@mail.gmail.com>
 <20160925155410.GA1868@dub7>
Message-ID: <20160926011108.mxmktwgpty2ognob@nataraja>

On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 05:54:10PM +0200, Neels Hofmeyr wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 08:01:52AM -0600, Sylvain Munaut wrote:
> > I've just put this in place for 'openbsc.osmocom.org' :
> > 
> > rewrite ^/trac/wiki/(.*)/(.*)$
> > $scheme://osmocom.org/projects/openbsc/wiki/$1$2 redirect;
> > rewrite ^/trac/wiki(.*)$ $scheme://osmocom.org/projects/openbsc/wiki$1 redirect;
> 
> But so far the idea is to keep the trac online and browsable, right?

the main problem is that search engines still primarily seem to index +
link to the old trac instances.  So we were keeping that alive for some
time.  However, as the content is going out of date, and people still
show an interest in editing the old content, I think we need to switch
the trac off soon and replace it with links to the redmine, even if it
just links to the redmine entry page of that project.

-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>           http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)


From craig_comstock at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 25 13:22:27 2016
From: craig_comstock at yahoo.com (Craig Comstock)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 13:22:27 -0000
Subject: Moving from trac to a single redmine
In-Reply-To: <CAHL+j090rx3mmyLtxPVkG3DOX=WS-pY_iZ3wbp+uaHoPTBAQxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29DF7E51-8366-40A3-8EF1-F4705D3A0E6D@freyther.de>
 <20160924123159.sdqpnz5yksr6njcr@nataraja>
 <32B40E35-7B65-4478-ADCE-CD7771DDCA7B@freyther.de>
 <CAHL+j090rx3mmyLtxPVkG3DOX=WS-pY_iZ3wbp+uaHoPTBAQxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53112477.360510.1474809743413@mail.yahoo.com>

I am working on fernvale-nuttx-bb (fernvale-nuttx + gnutoo's nuttx-bb) and wanted to check the osmocom bb on nuttx-bb. It seems all the links are broken in the redmine version of things and the trac URLs redirect to redmine so the content is "gone"?
Can you help me resurrect pages like http://osmocom.org/projects/baseband/wiki/Nuttx-bbcompile?parent=Nuttx-bb
Thanks,Craig


      From: Sylvain Munaut <246tnt at gmail.com>
 To: Holger Freyther <holger at freyther.de> 
Cc: "osmocom-sdr at lists.osmocom.org" <osmocom-sdr at lists.osmocom.org>; baseband-devel <baseband-devel at lists.osmocom.org>; OpenBSC Mailing List <openbsc at lists.osmocom.org>; gmr at lists.osmocom.org
 Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 9:01 AM
 Subject: Re: Moving from trac to a single redmine
   
Hi,


> * not modify trac sites but use redirect of nginx

I've just put this in place for 'openbsc.osmocom.org' :

rewrite ^/trac/wiki/(.*)/(.*)$
$scheme://osmocom.org/projects/openbsc/wiki/$1$2 redirect;
rewrite ^/trac/wiki(.*)$ $scheme://osmocom.org/projects/openbsc/wiki$1 redirect;

This seems to work fairly well. I'm sure there are some exceptions to
those regexps, but I couldn't find any immediately. If we uncover them
we can try to tweak them or just handle them manually.

I've set them to temporary (302) redirects for now. Once we're a
little more confident that this works well, this can be changed to
301s and extended to all the other old domains.

If you find any case where those fails, please report.


Cheers,

? ? Sylvain


   
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