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Marcus Müller marcus at hostalia.deHey :) So, yeah, I think the convergence towards singularity is clear. If you think it's not a problem if I join, I'd gladly do that. Hope there's room for the three or four other GR/openembedded folks that probably would like to join, but that's something that I should probably ask the singularity folks myself, and discuss with the GRfolks. Mostly coming by plane, I'd guess that they'd ask me to organize stuff, anyways. Anyways, I like the direction this is taking: There's enough Hornbachs, IKEAs and equivalents scattered around that this would work as last- minute fall back in any case. On Sat, 2019-06-22 at 20:22 +0200, Harald Welte wrote: > Thanks for the offer. I am personally a bit more sceptical towards > the > durability of this lowest-cost approach. Also, Pavillions of course > don't have side walls. That's nice for air flow, but also means that > they provide literally zero protection from anything but the smallest > amount of rain with no wind. Yep, that's why there's 50€ of tarp on that cost estimate :) > > > That'd cost 5€/m² of "roofed area". Rough estimate: 6 seats per > > pavillon, if we put tabling in the middle, i.e. single-digit euros > > in > > tent costs pP. I'd probably go for three pavillons in total. > > > > The real problem I'd see is table space, and seating. > > We could go for pasting tables (hopefully, this is how you'd > > translate > > /Tapeziertische/)[2]. > > Honestly, I think anything below "Bierbank" style equipment[1] > doesn't make > much sense. Yes, there's beauty in solid tables for any purpose you'd want a table to fulfill. Also, these are way, way cheaper than I'd have guessed. So, that'd *clearly* rule out the Tapeziertische. > > > I honestly have no idea how to address that; any car that I could > > reasonably rent > > to drive ~1500km wouldn't have space for beer tent benches, [...] > > We could order whatever stuff in advance and store it at my place in > Berlin. I have quite some storage space in my garage. That way one > wouldn't have to drive things for 1500km through Germany. > > However, I don't have a vehicle larger than a regular limousine car > to transport things to/from camp. Yeah, so I for once in my life decided to get a car (carsharing) that's larger than my former '99 Punto, so knowing how much I can stuff in a Punto, I'm pretty confident that most items smaller than Bierbanks are transportable, no matter from where. Idea: I'll ask the logistics of that Bierzeltgarnitur supplier whether they do deterministic-day delivery. That solves 50% of the transportation problem. > > > Maybe we could rent tables and chairs locally, but I'd assume > > they'd > > require us to provide safe/clean flooring if we want to do that. > > Not for "beer tent" benches + tables, which can also be rented. Not > sure about the rates. I'd really think this would be the solution of least effort, if actually possible. > > > One thing, though: I don't want to produce a couple of tables, a > > few > > pavillons, and folding chairs in waste. So, we'd ideally come up > > with a > > plan for what to do with the gathered infra after camp. That could > > involve storing some at my or someone else's place, communal space > > or > > donating it to someone who can put it to sensible use. > > I can certainly store some amount of stuff (as long as it's still in > a > condition to remain used) at my home, so it could be reused at the > very > least at the next camp in 4 years. > > Something like two Bierzeltgarnituren (each a tables + 2 benches) I'd > actually offer to buy out of my own pocket, as I'm sure I'd have use > for them at other occasions in my garden. Oh! Tempting! If you're paying for all the furnishing out of your own pocket, the least I could do would be transporting them to Berlin after camp (which is more or less on the way home, anyways); a tiny bit of research yields that with the seats folded down, the Renault Kangoo that I'll actually have has 150cm of storage depth, so that's only 70cm of hangover. That's definitely doable within the bounds of StVO and common sense, if we can find a Spanngurt to fixate the stuff. > > Hope this helps anyone. > > Thanks again for your offer. I guess the big questions is whether > we will join singularity city, if not, I guess you volunteering is a > good thing. If we are joining singularity city, then I suppose it's > much less critical as there should at least be some space for us in > the > shared large tent. Probably not sufficient for everyone to sit there > all day long, but then people also will be moving around... > Awesome! > btw: I will be bringing the "Osmocom fan base", if you remember it > from > last time. It has been operating at the sysmocom offices during the > last for years ;) > hehe. I have a new laptop, but it's overheating even more frequently than the previous one. <insert ode to my old X201> > btw2: There's a singularity city organization mumble meeting coming > up on July 2nd. Maybe somebody wants to join that to get a better > feeling of whether we would still need to bring extra tests and/or > tables+seating in that case. > > Regards, > Harald > > [1] > https://www.ebay.de/itm/Bierzeltgarnitur-Festzeltgarnitur-Set-Garnitur-Sitzgruppe-Biertisch-Juskys/372647893973?hash=item56c38b9bd5:g:-I8AAOSwUR9cqx4S >